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It was on CNN yesterday evening (9pm to 11pm EST). According to Verizon's TV guide feature thing, there was supposed to be an encore presentation, but instead, they switched to the coverage of the Ferguson and Obama's immigration updates. In fact, the current showing seemed to have cut down on commercial time so that it ended 7 minutes prior to ending on the hour.
SPOILERS if you'd care to watch it yourself. According to Verizon again, next showing is on Nov. 23rd.
Some interesting "fun facts" like:
1) 68% of students fail to graduate within 4 years
44% within 6 years
2) out of state tuition is average double of in-state, yet, out-of-state tuition has doubled on average
3) Pell Grants covered 112% of college tuition in 1977
Now, they only cover 43% in this decade or so
4) 50% unemployment rate amongst graduates 25 years old from the class of 2013
5) according to one high school mother, tuition at NYU costs $60K per year
6) 1.1 trillion $$ student loan debt. If you've been around on the C-D forums, these can't be wiped by bankruptcy
Community Colleges have flexibility and may offer some saving grace, as they tend to need to rough out the usual hardships anyways.
Other topics covered...
-Cooper Union for the first time now charges tuition. Students upset since $40mil was spent on a new facility, hedgefund investment that ended up getting wiped out, and the president makes $750K per year, and received a town hall as a free gift
-many schools spend $40mil to $100mil for stadiums, but also stuff like luxury condo-like dorms, swimming pools all over campus, and $40mil rock climbing walls. They go into debt to build them to attract students. Attract more students, now you need more facilities to attract even more students. It's a vicious cycle.
-Deep Springs is a 2 year school, all-male out in some CA country side where they do farm chores, but also talk about topics in a lecture setting like poli-sci. etc.
-an all girl's African American school is nice to be around like minded and students of similar upbringing, but a black man attended Harvard mentioned he didn't really know how to talk with white people, and wanted the diversity that came with other ethnic, racial, and social backgrounds
-Uncollege is a program where people live in dorm like buildings, work on apps, code, startups, and deal with college stuff like chores, but without the excessive tuition costs of typical colleges
-AZ State U being a party school. Party schools are fine according to one person, but the ones that don't really hold their students academically responsible are just awful
-Harvard offers 1st year students cs50 which is a computer science course which teaches basics of how to program, do websites, and otherwise to think more technically. They have a huge "great hall" like room devoted to office hours
-technology needs to be utilized to save on costs
-online programs like those offered through Coursea, Udacity, and edX can help some, but won't do any good for those that need in-person contact.
Yes. It's propaganda. There's some truth here and there, but most of it is twisted nonsense.
College isn't for everyone. Most of these problems are related to everyone trying to go to college but failing (either in college, or after college).
For once, I sorta agree with NJBest. Its propaganda (although there is also propaganda for the pro-college crow, but I obviously don't have to tell you that) that shows part of the problem. College isn't for everyone. And certain degree programs are not worth it (especially going into debt for), in my honest opinion. Outside of a handful of programs, you are really running the risk of incurring massive debt and achieving minimal employment.
I just watched it and that was a painful documentary to watch. It's started off pretty good and I was thinking this might be informative but that ended once the Cooper stuff started.
I just watched it and that was a painful documentary to watch. It's started off pretty good and I was thinking this might be informative but that ended once the Cooper stuff started.
I know a lot of Cooper alumni, so I've seen this movie mentioned many times in my social media feeds. I haven't seen the Ivory Tower yet, but I'm interested in why the Cooper segment turned you off.
I know a lot of Cooper alumni, so I've seen this movie mentioned many times in my social media feeds. I haven't seen the Ivory Tower yet, but I'm interested in why the Cooper segment turned you off.
Because they seem more focused on themselves instead of the greater good of the school. In this day and age they have been blessed with no tuition and things changed because the school over extended itself. What's done is done and finger pointing on what could of been is pointless just like sitting in the presidents office for days. The whole thing seemed like a waste of time and did nothing to fix Cooper's money issues. And it muddled the documentary.
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I just watched it and that was a painful documentary to watch. It's started off pretty good and I was thinking this might be informative but that ended once the Cooper stuff started.
I know a lot of Cooper alumni, so I've seen this movie mentioned many times in my social media feeds. I haven't seen the Ivory Tower yet, but I'm interested in why the Cooper segment turned you off.
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Originally Posted by curtisc83
Because they seem more focused on themselves instead of the greater good of the school. In this day and age they have been blessed with no tuition and things changed because the school over extended itself. What's done is done and finger pointing on what could of been is pointless just like sitting in the presidents office for days. The whole thing seemed like a waste of time and did nothing to fix Cooper's money issues. And it muddled the documentary.
I agree with the Cooper Union in relation to its place in the film/documentary... it just seemed like filler. They could've cut out large portions of that segment, we could've gotten all we needed to out of that, and that could've gone a long way towards shortening the film from its 2 hour time slot (with commercials)
OTOH, I don't think the students at CU were wrong to protest. Sure, when times are tough, you need to make decisions. Judgment calls need to be made. However, the president having such a high salary, free town house, the decision to build such a huge complex, and the failing hedge fund investment (which BTW, I think it's safe to say if it were successful, not a dime of that would've been reinvested back into CU and the greater good), doesn't show that the president was really committed to the idea of CU being an institution of free learning. When management makes questionable decisions, people have a right to question those decisions.
If they stopped student loans altogether college would be cheaper. The colleges would have to lower their tuition to get students.
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