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Old 01-27-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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Why are foreign students, wholly deficient in writing and reading comprehension, being admitted to American universities? I volunteer in a writing lab for a major university and routinely see foreign students whose reading and writing levels are sub-elementary. No American student would be admitted with such a deficiency, yet foreign students are being allowed. What is the deal with this?
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:54 AM
 
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They are probably in ESL classes. I spoke with an ESL instructor from my Alma Mater and she told me that some foreign students take ESL classes at the university for three or four years just to prepare them for their academic classes. Why is it allowed? Because they pay for it. International students put a lot of money into university coffers. Depending on the student's language ability when they get here, the university is getting six to eight years worth of tuition for a four year degree program.
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Mount Laurel
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Why are foreign students, wholly deficient in writing and reading comprehension, being admitted to American universities? I volunteer in a writing lab for a major university and routinely see foreign students whose reading and writing levels are sub-elementary. No American student would be admitted with such a deficiency, yet foreign students are being allowed. What is the deal with this?

Are you serious?


You clearly have something against foreign college students or you are just oblivious to the fact that this is a problem with American college students as well. Sure there are foreign college students who don't write English well but that is a minority.
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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Are you serious?


You clearly have something against foreign college students or you are just oblivious to the fact that this is a problem with American college students as well. Sure there are foreign college students who don't write English well but that is a minority.
Accusing the poster of having something against foreign students is uncalled for.

There's still a huge gap between foreign speakers who don't speak or write the language at all and mainstream Americans who are poorly educated in lower schools. Diversity and special needs admissions have added to the situation. One wonders why so many of these are in college instead of appropriate vocational training.
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:16 AM
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Why are foreign students, wholly deficient in writing and reading comprehension, being admitted to American universities? I volunteer in a writing lab for a major university and routinely see foreign students whose reading and writing levels are sub-elementary. No American student would be admitted with such a deficiency, yet foreign students are being allowed. What is the deal with this?
Probably the same reason that American-born students, wholly deficient in writing and reading comprehension, are being admitted to American universities.
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:16 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Why are foreign students, wholly deficient in writing and reading comprehension, being admitted to American universities? I volunteer in a writing lab for a major university and routinely see foreign students whose reading and writing levels are sub-elementary. No American student would be admitted with such a deficiency, yet foreign students are being allowed. What is the deal with this?
International students must pass the TOEFL (a foreign language exam). Unfortunately, some results are fabricated, resulting in students with deficient English reading/writing skills being admitted to colleges. Google for further info.
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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Probably the same reason that American-born students, wholly deficient in writing and reading comprehension, are being admitted to American universities.
I see tons of post here from US citizen who claim to have a degree in something but they can hardly write a sentence without any mistakes.


I took a business law class at the local community college and the teacher (an attorney) wrote "appellate" three different ways, repeatedly. I had an English teacher in an online class where I made it a personal challenge to at least discover 3 spelling mistakes every time she wrote an announcement.


So maybe start at the top with teaching Americans better English.


I am a foreigner and I have a 3.8 GPA in my Master's Degree.
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Mount Laurel
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Accusing the poster of having something against foreign students is uncalled for.

There's still a huge gap between foreign speakers who don't speak or write the language at all and mainstream Americans who are poorly educated in lower schools. Diversity and special needs admissions have added to the situation. One wonders why so many of these are in college instead of appropriate vocational training.


It is not uncalled for if OP attitude is


"No American student would be admitted with such a deficiency, yet foreign students are being allowed. What is the deal with this?"


It is a fact that plenty of Colleges are full of American students with low level reading/writing level.
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Mount Laurel
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International students must pass the TOEFL (a foreign language exam). Unfortunately, some results are fabricated, resulting in students with deficient English reading/writing skills being admitted to colleges. Google for further info.

Unless it had changed but when I went to College, I had to take the TOEFL even though I went to high school in the USA but English was my 3rd language.
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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Unless it had changed but when I went to College, I had to take the TOEFL even though I went to high school in the USA but English was my 3rd language.
Many universities require TOEFL of individuals whose 1st language is other than English. Other universities will state that if you score above a certain point in the reading section of the SAT your TOEFL will be waived.
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