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Well, CS is super duper competitive for admissions at many schools...
Indeed. Incredibly so. He finished high school with an IB diploma in the top 2% globally, strong results in math competitions, programming since he was 12, real and meaningful charity work from 7th grade, starting on a very strong basketball team among other things. Didn't get into any good programs in the US and ended up staying in Europe where he grew up and now getting a free education.
Didn't get into any good programs in the US and ended up staying in Europe where he grew up and now getting a free education.
Was he a resident of California? If he was, something seems off. If not, there’s your answer. State schools are primarily meant to serve residents of that state.
Out of state and foreign students are admitted but aren’t the primary intended audience. High performing foreign students in particular may be better served by targeting very high-quality private schools.
Was he a resident of California? If he was, something seems off. If not, there’s your answer. State schools are primarily meant to serve residents of that state.
Out of state and foreign students are admitted but aren’t the primary intended audience. High performing foreign students in particular may be better served by targeting very high-quality private schools.
"At Berkeley, 39 percent of out-of-state applicants received the proverbial fat envelope, compared with only 24 percent of California applicants. And opposed to five years ago, when out-of-state kids saw a 22 percent acceptance rate at Berkeley—compared with in-staters' 25 percent—the trend is looking good for out-of-state applicants"
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"At Berkeley, 39 percent of out-of-state applicants received the proverbial fat envelope, compared with only 24 percent of California applicants. And opposed to five years ago, when out-of-state kids saw a 22 percent acceptance rate at Berkeley—compared with in-staters' 25 percent—the trend is looking good for out-of-state applicants"
This is a trend in the past few years, and it's been observed nationwide-but nobody knows if it will last, and my original point that state schools are meant to primarily support in-state students stands.
That is not always great for students-I came from a state with less fantastic schools-but it's fair to the taxpayers who partially subsidize the schools.
I would be unsurprised to see some controls put in place on state schools to ensure they admit 'fair shares' of in-staters.
"At Berkeley, 39 percent of out-of-state applicants received the proverbial fat envelope, compared with only 24 percent of California applicants. And opposed to five years ago, when out-of-state kids saw a 22 percent acceptance rate at Berkeley—compared with in-staters' 25 percent—the trend is looking good for out-of-state applicants"
Oh, that article is "more than a year old" - it was dated 2011.
Berkeley's overall acceptance rate is now around 15%.
You're right, I misread the date as 2017 not 2011. Worthless info.
sorry
I didn’t really consider it worthless. It got me looking into the core issue in this article. It’s still apparently a problem at some UC campuses, and many states have apparently done nothing about this issue at all (although California does seem to be trying to favor in state via some policies). You drew our attention to the fact that there is a bias towards out of state students in many places.
Was he a resident of California? If he was, something seems off. If not, there’s your answer. State schools are primarily meant to serve residents of that state.
Out of state and foreign students are admitted but aren’t the primary intended audience. High performing foreign students in particular may be better served by targeting very high-quality private schools.
No. If he had I'm sure he would have gotten in. He did apply to Stanford and Princeton but of course rich legacies get most of those undergraduate spots. He considered Harvey Mudd but the school's size and cost relative to recognition outside of California were negatives. He also looked at Caltech and MIT but was advised by people we know who went there that the undergraduate experience leaves much to be desired.
I am an expat living in Europe. My sister lives in California and at that time our mother lived in Oregon. My alma mater, University of Washington, doesn't recognize any legacy status in admissions. That's one of the challenges of being an expat is that, even though I file US taxes, my children don't have in-state status anywhere.
No big deal though. He's getting an entirely free, top-notch education and the management consultancies are competing to hire him so it has actually worked out well for him.
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