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Old 06-27-2020, 06:29 PM
 
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Then the issue is who he dates, not college itself. Men can get accused of sexual assault in any context, not just college. If you really want to avoid this with certainty, tell him not to date any students. Date women from the general community or don't date at all.
Negative. The college and related groups massively overreacted by more or less convicting the kid via her words and some phony evidence.

Don't date at all......that's useful advice.
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Old 06-27-2020, 07:57 PM
 
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College should not mean large sucker buyer college loans. The schools work with the loan shark bottom feeders....
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Old 06-28-2020, 08:14 AM
 
Location: 0.83 Atmospheres
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At a very conservative school my son's best friend nearly lost his medical career before it began his junior year. He was accused and charged with sexual assault. The young lady was very believable.........the cops, his school, most of his friends, all of her friends. Long story short had her mother not cooperated with the defense - she sent identical affidavits to the prosecution, the cops, the defence and the school - he might have gone to prison on top of seeing his medical career evaporate. My son's friend ended up with only a wrecked semester and a large legal tab. This young lady ruined three men's before this......one guy in Colorado lived with a bogus sexual assault conviction for several years and two others were drummed out of college.

College age men facing bogus sexual assault charges is an unusual thing it is not a rare thing. It's dishonest to pretend otherwise.
I have a close friend who ran the law school intern program at his law firm. He was accused of making a pass at one of the interns (a male.) My friend is straight and married. It ended up in a ethics investigation and he was ultimately cleared.

My point is that it has nothing to do with college being hostile to men. This wasn’t at a college; it was at a prestigious law firm. A woman wasn’t involved either.
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Old 06-28-2020, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Negative. The college and related groups massively overreacted by more or less convicting the kid via her words and some phony evidence.

Don't date at all......that's useful advice.
That can happen anywhere. But it also is rare and if you fon't miatreat people it's unlikely.
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Old 06-30-2020, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Spring Hope, NC
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Firstly, I will say there is nothing wrong with being a plumber. My son is a junior in high school. He does very well in school. He has been preparing for the SAT and his latest score on a practice SAT is 1500. He has said he likes "physical" labor and does not mind the prospect of working as say, a plumber. I will not pressure him to go to college but I think he would make well for himself if he did attend college.

He has a tendency to be self-depreciating. He downplays his abilities. He does far better than I did when I was his age. From what I read, colleges are rather hostile to men these days. I read another article that predicted 25% of colleges will fail in the future the way things are going.

Should I "strongly encourage" him to at least attend a community college for a while and explore his possibilities or just let him be? I am not sure what to do.
If he can get into the Plumbers Union, definitely go for it, if not get his butt to college.
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Old 06-30-2020, 03:43 PM
 
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I have a close friend who ran the law school intern program at his law firm. He was accused of making a pass at one of the interns (a male.) My friend is straight and married. It ended up in a ethics investigation and he was ultimately cleared.

My point is that it has nothing to do with college being hostile to men. This wasn’t at a college; it was at a prestigious law firm. A woman wasn’t involved either.
I get that. My son's friend's situation had a whole lot to do with a college.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:02 PM
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Location: California
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Why would anyone want to miss out on college if they have an opportunity and ability to go? You get to learn all kinds of things, earn a degree which is always valueable on the market plus its a lot of fun. Maybe not every young man is into making like minded friends, drinking beer and chasing girls but it sure was fun...
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:15 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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1. Education.

2. trade school after he has an education.

My hairdresser has a BA. A friend's son is a journey man carpenter. He has a BS in a glutted STEM subject.

Bother wanted entry into the middle class. Now they have both.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:51 PM
 
Location: The Garden State
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A lot depends on how talented he is in his trade. Money chases talent in the trades just like anywhere else. We have all heard that the top 20% of real estate agents make 80% of total sales.

Be careful choosing a trade. Go back 10 to 15 years ago, every Fitter, Boilermaker, Millwright had more work than they could handle. Then the power plants switched from coal to natural gas and a lot of those trades are dead right now.

Those roto rooter guys do very well if they hustle. And also if they do the job right and don't get "Call backs". Those guys can make 100 G's a year.

Best of luck to your son whatever he does....
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:54 PM
 
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Firstly, I will say there is nothing wrong with being a plumber. My son is a junior in high school. He does very well in school. He has been preparing for the SAT and his latest score on a practice SAT is 1500. He has said he likes "physical" labor and does not mind the prospect of working as say, a plumber. I will not pressure him to go to college but I think he would make well for himself if he did attend college.

He has a tendency to be self-depreciating. He downplays his abilities. He does far better than I did when I was his age. From what I read, colleges are rather hostile to men these days. I read another article that predicted 25% of colleges will fail in the future the way things are going.

Should I "strongly encourage" him to at least attend a community college for a while and explore his possibilities or just let him be? I am not sure what to do.
Maybe it depends on whether you brought him up to respect education and aspire to be an educated person. If you haven't, it's likely too late to encourage him now.

I can't imagine any truth to a generality of "hostility" toward men in college, but even if it were true - have you brought him up to shy away from all uncomfortable situations? A college degree doesn't exclude him from physical labor, and a willingness to do physical labor is a great fall-back. He can be a plumber any time, but there is an optimal window for college, and it opens right after high school, and it will never be the same if he imagine he can come back to it years later.
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