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Old 03-02-2020, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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"Colorado Springs parks officials have decided it's time to take on a matter that's taken the outdoor recreation world by storm: electric battery-powered bikes, or e-bikes, a term inciting both joy and dread across the West.

While some Colorado counties have adopted the zippy wheels on dirt trails, they've been limited to concrete commuter paths here in the state's second-largest metro area.

While some cycling purists and hikers have raged — literally — against the emerging transports, electric enthusiasts have ridden on, including El Paso County's sheriff.

"It's coming, whether we like it or not," Bill Elder recently said at a roundtable meeting with parks Director Karen Palus and a pair of her top colleagues. Elder voiced concerns of e-bike hate, saying he himself had experienced "vigilantism" from angry mountain bikers.

Officials said they were pleased to be launching a community discussion, what many have seen as long overdue.

They plan to convene leading advocates and stakeholders on March 31 in what will mark the city's first concerted effort to make a decision on e-bikes in popular parks and open spaces. .........

Last edited by Mike from back east; 03-22-2021 at 09:21 AM.. Reason: Too much quoted copyrighted material. A few paragraphs will do.
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Old 03-02-2020, 07:16 AM
 
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Yeah I think that is exactly why they don't like them - they don't want new users who can't do it on their own power entirely on the trail - they think that will crowd the trails and thus result in faster trail wear and power trail etiquette etc.

Do e-bikes make noise more than a regular mountain bike? I've seen that their treads and appearance are very much like a regular bike. Unless they make a lot of noise or cause a lot of pollution, I think it is probably a losing battle to not let them on the trail. Ultimately, allowing older people or less athletic people to enjoy the trails too seems like something you wouldn't want to stop even though it means more traffic.
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Old 03-02-2020, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Haters gotta hate...
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Old 03-02-2020, 07:36 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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They are motor cycles so if you are ok with electric you should be ok with gas powered bikes too.
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Old 03-02-2020, 07:38 AM
 
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They are motor cycles so if you are ok with electric you should be ok with gas powered bikes too.
No they aren't.
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Old 03-02-2020, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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They are motor cycles so if you are ok with electric you should be ok with gas powered bikes too.
False analogy. E-Bikes are a bicycle with an electric motor. Motorcycles actually have an engine. While most of us use the term engine/motor interchangeably, they technically are two different things. Additionally, the weight and power of a motorcycle is such that they WILL create significant trail damage.

Since any number of trails have signs that say motorized vehicles prohibited, the human powered crowd will be basing their defense on that. Yeah, I can see this getting ugly for a while.
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Old 03-02-2020, 01:52 PM
 
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I'm a pretty avid mountain biker, and I'd be okay with class one e-bikes. However, I think that if you are using a bikes-only trail, you should be applying power through the pedals, not a throttle. There are electric motorcycles, so I'm not sure the gas vs. electric distinction is really a strict dividing line anymore. I think the top speed and power source (pedals) should be the line.
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Old 03-03-2020, 02:52 PM
 
Location: COS > DEN > ATL
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Cyclists are by and large angry hypercompetative a**holes. Vigilantism describes it perfectly. The tighter their bike shorts, the more likely they are to hurl insults at you as you pass them on your ebike.

Ebikes don't change the way people functionally mountain bike at all, except for allowing you to go many more miles without being tired out or getting off and walking because you're out of breath. They make no noise (your breathing is louder). The wheels aren't spinning out, like they can on dirt bikes, so there's no erosion difference. There's no safety difference either; all the danger is from high speed downhill runs, and that's all gravity powered, not human or electric. If anything, they would be safer because people would feel less need to maximize their downhill efficiency to pedal less going up hill.

About the classes, from what I've seen, if an ebike has suspension, it's a class 1 ebike. If a bike doesn't have suspension, it's not a mountain bike and you wouldn't take it on mountain bike trails unless you want your teeth rattled loose, so no need to worry about class 2 / 3 bikes.

What it really boils down is ego. Cis-cyclers, or whatever non ebikers are called, are ultimately concerned about their Strava scores and making sure that they can call themselves the fastest person on the trail, the most fit individual, the best athlete. They want to keep everyone else off their trail and have the whole thing to themselves.

What will happen as ebikes become more prevalent is there'll be a lot more women and elderly people riding, and rides will be for 24 miles instead of 10. So a lot more people outside enjoying Colorado, a net benefit, assuming we build trails accordingly.

There's really more of a debate around how ebikes move around paved paths and roads at 28 mph vs 16 for a road bike than e mountain bikes vs regular mountain bikes.
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Old 03-03-2020, 02:59 PM
 
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Class 1: eBikes or etrikes that are pedal-assist only, with no throttle, and have a maximum assisted speed of 20 mph.

Class 2: eBikes or etrikes that also have a maximum speed of 20 mph, but are throttle-assisted.

Class 3: eBikes or etrikes that are pedal-assist only, with no throttle, and a maximum assisted speed of 28 mph.

My class 2 trike...
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Old 10-16-2020, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Decision-making process for e-bikes on trails officially launches in Colorado Springs

https://gazette.com/life/decision-ma...36c2086fe.html

"Electric-powered bikes could have their legalized day in Colorado Springs' mountainous parks following an official analysis.

That analysis began Wednesday evening, when city parks administrators convened local advocates, elected representatives and bike shop owners in what Scott Abbott called "a first-ever community conversation" about the emerging technology.

The meeting was designed to start answering the question several communities have grappled with in Colorado and beyond: "Should the city expand e-bike access?" said Abbott, the Springs' regional parks, trails and open space manager.

The parks department will soon ask the wider public in an online survey, Abbott said.

Medicine Wheel Trail Advocates, the local mountain biking nonprofit, gathered input from an online poll launched in February. The group's executive director, Cory Sutela, said 662 responses represented "close to a 50/50 split between people saying there should be more access vs. people saying there should be lesser or no access."

The e-bike debate has been polarizing nationwide. Proponents say the charged boost makes cycling more inclusive for people hampered by disability and age. Opponents, meanwhile, say the wheels threaten the trail experience for others and pose unforeseen consequences with e-bike capabilities still developing.

Reportedly the largest growing sector of the cycling industry, e-bikes gained a victory last year, when a secretarial order was issued to expand access on Bureau of Land Management trails. In recent years, Jefferson and Boulder counties have allowed certain e-bikes at certain parks and open spaces.

In the Springs, Class 1 e-bikes — with a pedal-activated motor that ceases at 20 mph — are only allowed on paved, urban trails. They've been seen on dirt at such cherished preserves as Red Rock Canyon, Ute Valley and North Cheyenne Cañon.

"There's more every year, and I think it's just going to keep increasing," Sutela said. "It's a difficult topic, and we've got to wrestle with it."

At Wednesday's meeting, equestrian Eleanore Blacketer expressed concern over "the ability for a bike to have higher speeds than what we might normally see." Horses could perceive e-bikes as predators, she said, and the consequences could be "catastrophic" for the animal, rider and cyclist.

But Ron Ramsey called the popular perception of hard-charging e-bikes false. More were like him and his wife, he said, preferring gentler rides in retirement. He mentioned some cars being faster than others, "but we have laws to keep them in check." And that was the problem with e-bikes, he said: "We need regulations to keep the behavior in check."

Cycling aficionado and city councilwoman Jill Gaebler struggled to envision enforcement. Still, she sounded in favor of exploring e-bike access.

"We all fund and pay for these trails. They are ours," she said. "We need to ensure we're keeping each other safe, but letting people enjoy our trails and the outdoors of our city, that to me is paramount."

Medicine Wheel has warned of "a major change in use that will have impacts on all users." In the case of new policy, the group has suggested a "careful, incremental approach" and "not a blanket change to allow (e-mountain bikes) on all trails."

Public surveying would last two weeks, Abbott said.

"We'd hope to come around cleanly in 2021 with at least a presentation of what we might think could be a future policy," he said."
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