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Old 12-03-2020, 01:29 PM
 
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I didn't mean to imply that slums are a better alternative, ...
I know you didn't imply slums, I was just being difficult though it did remind me of the old stuff I've lived in, at least a dozen or more places before the age of consent.... The one place that had some character (@1963) had an old Chambers stove that must have weighed 500 pounds which I recall with fondness. That house had swinging doors, like a restaurant, from the dining room to the kitchen which was tacked onto the very back end of the house since it was built in the WW-1 era before A/C. Another old joint had pocket doors which I wish would make a comeback.
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Old 12-03-2020, 03:21 PM
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Location: Manitou Springs
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Yeah my guess for why people reject the 70s-90s homes is style - watching all those HGTV shows they lament the lack of an open floor plan and granite counter tops, etc. But I think sometimes they're the better way to go - often more affordable, benefits of an established neighborhood like trees and infrastructure, still not a ton of age-related issues, and if quality of construction was going to be an issue it would've already come to light by this point...

Exactly. On House Hunters, some of what people wanted just made me shake my head. A couple would walk into a huge kitchen ... and still want something bigger. Some of the home/room sizes people lust after I don't get. Who wants that much square footage to clean? If only people knew how grateful they'd be to have a smaller home to clean as they age and their knees start making noise.

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Old 12-03-2020, 03:41 PM
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Location: Manitou Springs
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I know you didn't imply slums, I was just being difficult though it did remind me of the old stuff I've lived in, at least a dozen or more places before the age of consent.... The one place that had some character (@1963) had an old Chambers stove that must have weighed 500 pounds which I recall with fondness. That house had swinging doors, like a restaurant, from the dining room to the kitchen which was tacked onto the very back end of the house since it was built in the WW-1 era before A/C. Another old joint had pocket doors which I wish would make a comeback.
I knew you knew.

I rented for many years. When I think about all those places, back east and in Colorado, I have to say that the worst thing I can think of usually related to heating issues. I remember many places with fondness too, but would not care to live in now. Like apartments on the top floors of beautiful old Victorians. Now it's a must that everything be on one level, lol.

My neighbor's 1901 house has pocket doors that are beautiful. In the dining room there's one of those built-in glass-front hutches that had a big open space at the bottom, I think for a Murphy bed.
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Old 12-03-2020, 03:53 PM
 
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Oh brother, the memories of old steam radiator heat, pipes clanging when the heat was on and Mom banging on the pipe to tell the landlord to send up some heat ... "those were the days" ...
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Old 12-12-2020, 12:55 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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I felt that way when I bought a couple of houses in Briargate (my main residence and a rental) back in '87.

My friends all thought I was crazy- who wanted to live so far away from everything?

It has worked out ok so far. The houses (3 BR/2 BA and about $67K each new) are worth about $350K each now, both have been paid off for about 10 years and the renters paid for that house.

I will never see this type of appreciation ever again in my lifetime and feel very fortunate I am not shopping for a house now.
Oh yes, I remember Briargate from when we were kids in the 1980s & used to go party on the development, lol. That was the edge of town back then. Picture taken in 1984 of Briargate by Myron Wood. Looks to be from maybe E Woodmen or Briargate Rd? (courtesy PPLD Digital Archives: https://cdm15981.contentdm.oclc.org/.../id/1655/rec/3)

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Old 01-05-2021, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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New Colorado Springs apartment project with '360-degree beauty' planned

https://gazette.com/business/new-col...d8f2e5e27.html

"An out-of-town real estate company that’s developed one Colorado Springs-area shopping center and has a second in the works now plans to expand its local multifamily investments with an apartment project on the city’s northwest side.

Evergreen Devco, with offices in Denver, Phoenix, Los Angeles and Salt Lake City, has proposed a 312-unit apartment complex on nearly 15 acres northeast of Centennial Boulevard and Fillmore street, according to a proposal recently submitted to city government planners.

The company’s proposal is another example of local, regional and national apartment developers who say they’re bullish on the Springs’ economy, population growth and quality of life and who have launched multifamily projects from the city’s north side, to downtown, to the southeast side.

“Colorado Springs is just continuing to grow,” said Robert Place, based in Denver and Evergreen’s multifamily development director for Colorado.

He cited a technical industry publication that ranked Colorado Springs as a top five market for college graduates seeking high-tech jobs.

“Quality of life and what the prospects are for the technological community there, those are our motivations for wanting to come to Colorado Springs,” Place said.

The Centennial-and-Fillmore site, which is part of 51 acres that Penrose-St. Francis Health Services targeted and then abandoned for a possible hospital campus, was appealing for several reasons, Place said.

The company likes the northwest side’s well-educated, higher-income households, while the area is underserved and has had only one apartment project developed in recent years, he said. The Floyd K. Lindstrom Veterans Affairs clinic southeast of Centennial and Fillmore and its surrounding area also appear poised for growth, Place said.

The property also has terrific views, he said.

“The aesthetic value of the property, with mountain views to the west, and probably what’s underrated are the views to the east as well,” said Place, adding that Evergreen Devco eyed the property for several years before Penrose-St. Francis was interested. “You’ve got 360-degree beauty at that location.”

The project, to be called Outlook Centennial, would have amenities such as a clubhouse, pool and garages, and units would rent at market rate prices.

In the third quarter of 2020, Springs apartment rents averaged a record high of nearly $1,280 a month, according to a report by the University of Denver’s Daniels College of Business and Colorado Economic & Management Associates in Denver. Rents have steadily risen in the Springs over the last several years, which is another reason apartment developers have been attracted to the city.

Evergreen Devco expects to complete the purchase of the nearly 15 acres by the summer, Place said. Once it buys the property, the company would begin construction immediately and open its first apartments roughly by late spring 2022, he said.

The company also has a deal to sell another 6.6 acres to the north of its apartment site; that property is targeted for townhomes by another developer, Place said. Evergreen also controls 8.1 acres at the corner of Centennial and Fillmore that’s envisioned for commercial use.

Evergreen has been active in the Springs market. It developed a King Soopers-anchored shopping center southeast of Marksheffel Road and Constitution Avenue in unincorporated Claremont Ranch on the Springs’ east edge that opened in 2017. The company is developing another King Soopers-anchored center northwest of Woodmen and Meridian roads in unincorporated Falcon northeast of town.

Evergreen also submitted a project last year to city planners that proposes demolition of the former Sears store at the Chapel Hills mall in northern Colorado Springs and construction of a 300-unit apartment project in its place.

The company continues to move forward with that project and expects to complete the purchase of the Sears property in the spring and open apartments a year later, Place said.


Evergreen is among several companies that have developed apartment projects in Colorado Springs in recent years or have them on the drawing board.

In downtown, Weidner Apartment Homes of suburban Seattle plans about 1,000 units, while Greystar Real Estate Partners of Charleston, S.C., has proposed projects totaling 600 apartments, among others. On the southeast side, several development groups envision at least seven multifamily projects with nearly 1,300 units.

The city’s fast-growing, far north side is especially appealing to developers; among other projects, A.G. Spanos Cos. of Stockton, Calif., plans a 474-unit complex at Victory Ridge, while Blackburn Communities of Oxford, Miss., has broken ground on a 301-unit complex at Polaris Pointe."
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Old 01-05-2021, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Hmmm, one view for their east facing apartments will be the aggregate mixing plant. Better discount those views. North will be views of the Camelback Apartments' complex just up the street. West and south will be good views though.
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Upscale apartment complex proposed for Colorado Springs' northeast side

https://gazette.com/premium/upscale-...cb46a424a.html

"A Dallas real estate company has proposed a 330-unit, upscale apartment complex on Colorado Springs’ northeast side, as the city’s quality of life, growth and hot multifamily market continue to attract developers and investors.

Stillwater Capital, whose website says it develops, underwrites, acquires, manages and sources a wide range of real estate projects, plans to build the Apartments at Greenways on nearly 15 acres southeast of Tutt Boulevard and South Carefree Circle, according to a proposal the company has submitted to city planners.

The site is adjacent to the former 170-acre Springs Ranch Golf Course, which is being redeveloped by Springs builder and developer Classic Cos. into a mix of single-family homes, townhomes and condominiums. Classic purchased the golf course last year after its owner closed the financially troubled venue.

Before its acquisition of the golf course, Classic received Colorado Springs City Council approval to redevelop the property, to be known as The Greenways at Sand Creek. The council’s OK also allowed Classic to obtain a 23-acre site in a land swap with the city, which includes the 15 acres where Stillwater will build. Stillwater now has contracted to buy that land.

Stillwater has actively developed several apartment complexes and mixed-use projects in Texas and Arizona, said Clay Roby, a Stillwater managing director.

For one of its projects, Stillwater has partnered with the PGA of America, the Dallas suburb of Frisco, a luxury hotel company and a real estate investment company to develop a 600-acre, golf-focused mixed-use development in Frisco, where the PGA of America’s headquarters will relocate from Florida.

Six to nine months ago, Stillwater officials targeted Colorado’s Front Range for expansion, said Roby.

They like the outdoor lifestyle that Colorado Springs and the Front Range offer. On a personal level, Roby said he has family in Englewood and Fort Collins; he likens the Front Range to “his home away from home” and has even snowshoed to the top of Pikes Peak.

“We invest our time and efforts and capital in areas where we enjoy being,” Roby said. “I have no interest in building spaces that I wouldn’t personally want to spend time in or have my friends spend time in. Whether it’s a place that you would live, or a restaurant that you would go out to eat in, or a place you want to stay in — we have some hotel properties as well — we build where we would want to be.”

The military presence in Colorado Springs, its friendly nature and its big, small-town feel also were qualities that attracted Stillwater, Roby said.

Stillwater’s apartments will be part of what it views as a mixed-used project, given the variety of housing that Classic will develop on the old golf course property, Roby said.

The apartment site also is just east of the First & Main Town Center shopping complex, which includes restaurants, big-box stores, smaller retailers and a movie theater complex.

Stillwater’s apartment complex would be composed of a pair of four-story buildings, with a mix of “well-appointed” studio, one-, two- and three-bedroom units, according to the proposal the company submitted to city planners.

“I would say it’s an upscale rental community,” Roby said.

Project amenities would include a 2,500-square-foot fitness center building and a 4,000-square-foot co-working center that would accommodate renters working at home, an outdoor resort-style pool, outdoor kitchen areas, garages, carports and landscaped courtyards with walking areas for tenants, the proposal shows.

“We’re big believers in the outdoors, as a company and as individuals,” Roby said. “Most, what I would call, suburban-styled apartment buildings are a bunch of small buildings and a sea of parking. We very much wanted to create a sense of place, internal to the development. “

Stillwater’s apartments, where construction is expected to break ground this year, will rent for market-rate prices, Roby said. In the fourth quarter of 2020, Colorado Springs-area rents averaged nearly $1,266 a month, according to an industry report.

The company has other Front Range developments in the works, Roby said. It’s looking at a mixed-used project in Classic’s high-end Flying Horse development on Colorado Springs’ far north side and a project in Denver, he said.

Stillwater joins several out-of-town real estate companies that have developed apartments in the Springs in recent years or have projects in various stages of planning.

Among them, Weidner Apartment Homes of suburban Seattle plans about 1,000 units in downtown, while Greystar Real Estate Partners of Charleston, S.C., has proposed two projects totaling 600 apartments, also downtown.

A.G. Spanos Cos. of Stockton, Calif. and Blackburn Communities of Oxford, Miss., have separate projects that would bring 775 units to the Springs’ far north side. Evergreen Devco, with offices in Denver, Phoenix, Los Angeles and Salt Lake City, has proposed a 312-unit apartment complex on the northwest side."
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Old 02-09-2021, 10:57 AM
 
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I owned a house that was built in 85 and it had an open floor plan /great room. Replaced air cond / furnace twice in 18 yrs
replaced kitchen sink, garbage disposal, tore out carpet replaced with a hard floor in bedrooms, remodeled bathrooms, new garage door because daughter ran into it, painted 4 times outside, inside, replaced fridge twice, oven once, washer dryer twice, relandscaped front yard twice, sprinkler system repairs every two years, roof once AND THEN the neighborhood went downhill because the people that moved in did not have the same ideas about keeping their house looking good. They did not believe in watering or maintenance.
newer = clean = low maint = boring if you like working on the house and yard every single weekend! because there won't be much to do.
Older = big trees ( loved my big trees )=more bugs/ mice = more diversity and lots of work /money spent.
So I now choose to live in apts = Boring but more cash flow since I am not well off or rich or coming from California/ Connecticut
still, if I were to buy a house again it would be tempting to do a fixer-upper again but in Walsenburg ...
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Old 04-29-2021, 05:09 PM
 
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new lease just signed my Rent is now officially 48 % of my take-home pay , yay.
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