02-18-2009, 07:27 AM
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Any Michigan natives that can help? I'm planning on relocating to Colorado Springs or Denver this time next year. I would like to rent until I know if I like it/become more familiar with the area. I'm looking for a safe area close to downtown (within walking or biking distance). I would like to use my car as little as possible and I'm curious about public transportation in both COS and Denver. Dnver seems very expensive so I've been leaning more towards COS.
I'll be working as a librarian and I need something inexpensive. I would rather not live in a conventional apartment building and would prefer a flat or a house rental with a small yard/space to garden. I like old features (bungalows from the 30s or victorian would be preferable). Looking for something in the $800 range--small is okay. Is this possible? If you're from MI would like a neighborhood/area similar to Ferndale/Royal Oak.
Any Michiganders with input on how they like CO so far would be great. Also, I'm concerned about COS' conservative reputation. I would like to live in an area that is open-minded/progressive. Would Denver be a better bet? It seems so much more expensive is this the case? What's the size/culture difference between the two?
02-18-2009, 08:03 AM
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do a search and you will find alot of info on this.
02-18-2009, 09:22 AM
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Public transit in COLO SPGS is very poor by most any standard. Denver is far better in that respect. In the Denver Index you will find threads listed on the RTD and Car Free Living (a Librarian will appreciate that I made indexes of our key threads for easy reference).
Biking in/around either city is probably about the same, though COLO SPGS has some nearby areas of keen interest to cyclers (Garden of the Gods) and nearby mountains/foothills. Lots of biking seen here in COLO SGPS. Google on the topic and you'll find lots of info on cycling in CO.
You might find an old Victorian or small charming cottage in Old Colorado City (OCC) on the west side of COLO SPGS or even in the old north end up near Colorado College. Getting one for $800 month may be hard to do, you may need a roomie to make it happen.
Google the Denver library system for their job list. Lots of colleges in Denver too, most with large libraries. In COLO SPGS we have the Pikes Peak Library District at:
Home Page | Pikes Peak Library District and we also have UCCS and private Colorado College.
Denver is a much more happening place for young singles, though we do have our share here.
Boulder and Fort Collins are both towns with large colleges and thus libraries that need tending. Fort Collins is well away from Denver. Boulder is amazingly expensive but there is good bus service from Denver.
Here in COLO SPGS, I really like our PPLD. They just got me a book from a Catholic College in NJ on Inter Library Loan, a service that I find simply amazing - ask for a book and you can pull it in from anywhere in the nation.
COLO SPGS has a lot of conservative folks, but it's all very low key. Ironic thing is that my local branch of the PPLD has a computer lab with about 20 PCs, proudly sponsored by the local Gay/Lesbian fund, while across the street is the HQs of Focus on the Family with their very conservative views. Things that make you go hmmm....
Denver metro area is about 2.5M people, COLO SPGS is about 0.5M people.
IMO, Denver has way more culture, museums, arts, performance venues, food, fashion, flights, pro sports; all to be expected in the ONE major city for close to 600 miles in any direction.
My advice, in this economy, is to find the job first and go to that city, then once you're here you can figure which city you like better and move around within the area. If you are the flexible type, with a couple of months savings, no dependents to worry about, and the ability/desire to wait tables, etc, then you might consider just winging it and come out without a job. Many brave souls have done that and done fine.
There is a LOT of info in the threads; use the indexes for the cities and the state and use the advanced search tool with any keyword or combination thereof to find specific info already here.
Best of luck to you.
02-18-2009, 09:50 AM
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Colorado Springs has 80+ miles of bike trail and bike lanes in the city - very friendly for bicyclists. The city is also loved by mountain bikers like myself - lots of places to ride trails. For getting to downtown, there is a paved bike path that follows the river and crosses under I-25 in multiple spots so any location near I-25 will give you easy access to a bike path to downtown that is not on the roads. If you get a chance to visit, there is a bicycle shop on a trailhead for this path that rents bikes: Criterium Bicycles
Criterium Bicycles
With your tastes it sounds like you would love Manitou Springs attached to the West side of Colorado Springs. There are apartments for rent in Manitou that are above the quaint shops on the second floor - very easy access to ameneties without having to drive.
Would these places in Manitou Springs be quaint enough?
Manitou Springs Castle Top Floor w/Turret Room $895/mo: http://www.rentals.com/Home-Rentals/Display.aspx?ListingNumber=876156 (broken link)
Remodeled Duplex $815/mo: http://www.rentals.com/Home-Rentals/Display.aspx?ListingNumber=859502 (broken link)
Manitou Cottage all utilities included close to Garden of the Gods $650/mo: http://www.rentals.com/Home-Rentals/Display.aspx?ListingNumber=759567 (broken link)
Mike is right on with job first. If you end up in Denver, come on down to Colorado Springs for some biking!
P.S.: I'm not from Michigan but my Dad and his side of the family are all from the Green Bay area.
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02-18-2009, 06:25 PM
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I agree with Reginhild's advice. Manitou would be great... In addition, stay close to the Fountain Creek trail and it will take you into downtown very easily. I wish I was closer to it, but it is still only a five mile ride into the City. I have to ride on Hancock a little but the majority of my ride into town is on the trail along Fountain Creek...
02-19-2009, 06:42 AM
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If you really want the honest truth- heres the deal. I am fairly new to the area (moved in July) so this may not be as exact as some others can help but I will do my best. I can, however, assist on the Michigan end living in GR for 18 years. You will find several Michiganders here- so you will feel welcome on that end- dont worry about the political atmosphere- you get everything here. People are pretty relax here and let you be whoever you want to be.
As to the comparison in cities- yes Denver is MUCH easier transport wise. BUT it is MUCH more expensive as well. A downfall with it that I dont reccomend is if you want to stay close to a public transport line such as the light rail line, you will need to come out here once or twice and see some apartments or townhomes. Pictures in that city arent worth squat. They may look nice, but its a huge city- and as such, much like Detroit- you need to know what you are doing. Go there, check out the places you are planning to rent first. You should find a place easy and close to a light rail or a bus line or within walking/biking distance to work if you do your research within your budget that you like.
Colorado springs is nicer than denver in almost all areas as far as not worrying about where you live, but for the most part, many of the rentals are tougher to find really close to town. Our bus system is ok, not great but ok. What I am saying is- I would call a realator- many have rentals as well. Colorado Springs has many of those older homes, especially close to the Univ of Colorado-Colorado Springs, check with realators- I went through Courtney and Courtney and they are good with decent prices. Its also a good area close to town.
Remember when it comes to biking too- the elevation will kick you for a bit. But you will love it here- its much better than MI! (Weather is similar, but less snow). Hope that helps!
02-19-2009, 11:12 AM
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Colorado Springs is like Grand Rapids. Lots of conservative and relious businesses and people. If you want a city like Detroit (liberal, industrial), go to Peublo. But you'll find just like Detroit, not much happening there. Denver is a good middle place.
I lived in Lansing and GR for years. Parents still live in the Lansing area. What a depressing place!
02-19-2009, 11:52 AM
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Thanks!
Thanks all for your input. I'll check the other threads for more info and am currently waiting for my CO Springs and Denver relocation guides. I think I'll really love CO. Growing up in MI, I've been spoiled by seasons and plenty of outdoor/recreational activities. CO seems like just the place to try and much less depressing. I'm not sure I could find a job here after I graduate if I wanted to. YIKES!
02-19-2009, 03:32 PM
Location: Colorado Springs
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I lived in Holland MI for 3 years and moved to CO about 6 months ago. I don't find CO anything like the area that you are coming from. I find colorado springs somewhat like grand rapids except that you will have a much harder time finding a job here (imo). There is way more traffic here (except for in detroit). Denver is similar to detroit in the sense that they both have a lot of buildings but I find denver is more comparable to new york city. Detroit, I think, is dirty and nasty and I don't find that in most parts of denver. Not the same way anyhow... All I know is, MI bored me (I am from MA) but now that I am in CO, I miss the home town feel of MI. I miss the beaches/lakes and I miss the weather. And yes, the snow. It doesn't snow a lot in the city of colorado springs and when it does, it melts immediately. There is no humidity and very little fog. Just an outsiders thoughts....
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People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)