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Old 01-04-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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I'm not convinced that Colorado Springs looks down on Pueblo or is jealous. Yes, Colorado Springs is a military town, but it also draws a lot of tourism, has some great universities (Colorado College, UCCS, and USAFA) all of which generate more prestige than CSU-Pueblo. The USOC is headquartered there, despite many suiters interested in luring them away. The natural setting in Colorado Springs is most spectacular. There's little to envy about Pueblo, yet Colorado Springs is not such an elite place that they would look down on their neighbors down the highway.

You're the only one who seems to believe that outsiders are either jealous of Pueblo or are looking down on them. Most outsiders probably have a "take it or leave it" attitude toward the place.

Not all, though.

Boulder does look down on Pueblo. It's not jealousy. Boulder in its academic self-righteousness looks down on the entire State of Colorado.

Denver does look down on Pueblo. It's not jealousy. Denver is a first-rate city that tends to look down on a lot of places as a result of its size, amenities, and political clout.
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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I'm not convinced that Colorado Springs looks down on Pueblo or is jealous. Yes, Colorado Springs is a military town, but it also draws a lot of tourism, has some great universities (Colorado College, UCCS, and USAFA) all of which generate more prestige than CSU-Pueblo. The USOC is headquartered there, despite many suiters interested in luring them away. The natural setting in Colorado Springs is most spectacular. There's little to envy about Pueblo, yet Colorado Springs is not such an elite place that they would look down on their neighbors down the highway.

You're the only one who seems to believe that outsiders are either jealous of Pueblo or are looking down on them. Most outsiders probably have a "take it or leave it" attitude toward the place.

Not all, though.

Boulder does look down on Pueblo. It's not jealousy. Boulder in its academic self-righteousness looks down on the entire State of Colorado.

Denver does look down on Pueblo. It's not jealousy. Denver is a first-rate city that tends to look down on a lot of places as a result of its size, amenities, and political clout.
Good point about Boulder and that makes the growth of CSU Pueblo all more interesting. If in the future CSU Pueblo becomes the only state university outside of the immediate Denver area to reach 20,000 students and get division 1 football I think it would be a huge dent on Boulder's ego.

As far as Denver it is because of their size and belief that they are Colorado's only "first rate city" that they are jealous of Pueblo. Even to this day with many Colorado cities much larger then Pueblo it is the only city that can and does stand up to Denver. One of the main reasons for this is Pueblo is the largest city in the geographic large 3rd Congressional district and that won't change so that gives Pueblo much more influence then a city of its size should have. That especially bothers Colorado Springs because they feel they should have more influence then Pueblo but does not. In fact just to get the SDS they had to play by Pueblo's rules and pay for projects Pueblo wanted. If you don't believe me just google southern delivery system and read the many articles on it from the Gazette and Chieftain. Also, the Springs might have the USOC but they are having a hard time keeping larger private sector companies. In fact Pueblo does a better job of recruiting and keeping them including the Professional Bull Riders who moved their corporate headquarters from Colorado Springs to the Riverwalk in Pueblo.

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Old 01-05-2011, 12:53 AM
 
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Still not convinced. Congressional districts are based on population, not geographic size. Therefore the 3rd district doesn't hold any more weight than any other. Incidentally, Pueblo doesn't even hold enough sway to tilt the balance in the 3rd district. Scott Tipton defeated the incumbent Salazar, despite Pueblo's heavy democrat/unionized influence. Pueblo clearly doesn't hold THAT big a sway despite being the largest population center in the district.
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Old 01-05-2011, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Still not convinced. Congressional districts are based on population, not geographic size. Therefore the 3rd district doesn't hold any more weight than any other. Incidentally, Pueblo doesn't even hold enough sway to tilt the balance in the 3rd district. Scott Tipton defeated the incumbent Salazar, despite Pueblo's heavy democrat/unionized influence. Pueblo clearly doesn't hold THAT big a sway despite being the largest population center in the district.
Actually Pueblo was the reason the democrats lost and that was enough to make the national news. In fact in national articles they mentioned Pueblo by name, the only small city to be named. So yes Pueblo holds a lot of poltical influence for a city of only 110,000 people and I think Denver and especially Colorado Springs are worried that if Pueblo is like this at 110,000 people what would we be like at 500,000 people?

This is from the National Journal:


Republicans won not by pulling off any bold upsets in liberal-leaning cities like Denver, but by focusing on places like Colorado’s moderate Western Slope and the blue-collar city of Pueblo. There, voters in the state’s 3rd Congressional District rejected Democratic incumbent John Salazar in favor of Republican challenger Scott Tipton.

The link: NationalJournal.com - Election Postmortem: Dems Lost in the Middle - Saturday, November 13, 2010
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:28 PM
 
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Pueblo county, the most populated in the district, went blue in last year's election. It is still very Democrat-ran, and still was not enough to influence the election for U.S. Representative.
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:34 PM
 
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Here's a link to the Pueblo County Recorder's Elections Results Report. It's pretty apparent that Pueblo is still a blue county, and did all it could to deliver a win to the Democrat candidate, and did not have sufficient influence to do so. Even though it is the largest population center in the district.

http://co.pueblo.co.us/clerk/electio...n%20result.htm
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Salazor won in Pueblo but not by enough. If he would of won by 10 more percentage points like he usually does then he would of won the district. That is what they meant by the republicans taking enough votes in Pueblo to win the district.
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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This is from the National Journal:


Republicans won not by pulling off any bold upsets in liberal-leaning cities like Denver, but by focusing on places like Colorado’s moderate Western Slope and the blue-collar city of Pueblo. There, voters in the state’s 3rd Congressional District rejected Democratic incumbent John Salazar in favor of Republican challenger Scott Tipton.
My gosh, Pueblo got mentioned in passing, and you are ready to proclaim it the most influential city in Colorado! I wouldn't even call that an honorable mention! Besides, that statement is the OPINION of an analyst. The link I share with you are the FACTUAL results of the elections in Pueblo County. Most specifically, the election for U.S. Representative. And if I haven't made myself clear already, Pueblo did all it could to re-elect Salazar and still failed to do so, despite being the largest population center in the district. One may conclude that Pueblo is not as influential as you believe it to be.
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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Salazor won in Pueblo but not by enough. If he would of won by 10 more percentage points like he usually does then he would of won the district. That is what they meant by the republicans taking enough votes in Pueblo to win the district.
He won by 14 percentage points! That's considered a decisive win anywhere that is not ultra-left (Boulder) or ultra-right (Colorado Springs). It's a decisive win in a decisively Democrat county.
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Old 01-05-2011, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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He won by 14 percentage points! That's considered a decisive win anywhere that is not ultra-left (Boulder) or ultra-right (Colorado Springs). It's a decisive win in a decisively Democrat county.
Pueblo is ultra left that is why we are known as the Democratic strong hold of the state so only getting 55% of the vote is not good as he should of easily received 65% of the vote and that is why the national journal article talked about Pueblo.
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