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Old 03-13-2013, 06:58 AM
 
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This should be called "The enhanced job security law for divorce Attorneys" lol
And with Colorado's new alimony laws there will be real pain, fitting of marriage.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Apparently there is a difference between 'marriage' and 'civil unions' that I need to investigate.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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Apparently there is a difference between 'marriage' and 'civil unions' that I need to investigate.
There not is not much of a difference.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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If DOMA is thrown out by the SC, then SS couples will be eligible to marry and get spousal/survivor benefits under Social Security and collapse the already burdened system entirely. That does affect straight people whether "anti-gay" or not.

Entitlements are going to have to be reduced to solve the budget issue regardless if there is gay marriage or not.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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Maybe Colorado is finally tipping to "blue state status" for good
No. Gerrymandering the legislature and using wealthy gay rights activists' money definitely turns the legislature blue, but it does not turn the state blue. The Democrats' overreach this year in the legislature will cost them not only their majority in 2014, but likely the state for several years to come.

I don't know if the state would defeat a civil unions referendum in a statewide vote, but I suspect it would be really close. It's for that reason that supporters chose to ram it through the legislature rather than going to voters. The problem is that, by omitting a religious liberty exemption, it could cause problems in court, and thus compromise the whole bill. If that doesn't happen, at least it'll look bad to the average voter here to send Catholic adoption services packing when that group is one the groups that helps Colorado maintain a low abortion rate and a tremendously encouraging adoption rate. It doesn't only put a stick in the eye of a great religious organization, but also the state as a whole.

It's going to be a long year-and-a-half here, but in 2014 you will see a dramatic political reversal that could truly make Colorado as "red" as it merely appears "blue" today.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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It's going to be a long year-and-a-half here, but in 2014 you will see a dramatic political reversal that could truly make Colorado as "red" as it merely appears "blue" today.
More likely that DOMA will be gone by 2014 and the civil unions argument will no longer be the political fodder it is today. If anyone seriously thinks that demonizing "teh gay" is going to win them a local election in 2014 outside of El Paso and Douglas Counties than they need to stick another finger in the social winds.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Denver Colorado
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Denver is quickly becoming one of the most progressive cities in the entire US; this comes from someone who spends a ton of time in West LA. Douglas county is OC lite. Colorado Springs and Denver might as well be located in two seperate states socially,politically,culturally.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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Denver is quickly becoming one of the most progressive cities in the entire US; this comes from someone who spends a ton of time in West LA. Douglas county is OC lite. Colorado Springs and Denver might as well be located in two seperate states socially,politically,culturally.
Denver and Colorado Springs have always been a universe apart. Denver's liberalism is nothing new. But it is untrue that it is "one of the most progressive cities in the entire US." Compared to places like Seattle. Chicago, Boston, etc., there is just no comparison. Denver is positively libertarian by comparison.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Denver Colorado
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Denver and Colorado Springs have always been a universe apart. Denver's liberalism is nothing new. But it is untrue that it is "one of the most progressive cities in the entire US." Compared to places like Seattle. Chicago, Boston, etc., there is just no comparison. Denver is positively libertarian by comparison.
Just got back from Seattle visiting ex native Denverites ..Denver and Seattle become more similar with each passing day.
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:08 AM
 
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More likely that DOMA will be gone by 2014 and the civil unions argument will no longer be the political fodder it is today. If anyone seriously thinks that demonizing "teh gay" is going to win them a local election in 2014 outside of El Paso and Douglas Counties than they need to stick another finger in the social winds.
I'll thank you to keep your fingers to yourself! : There is no certainty that DOMA will be overturned, though I know there is a plenty of wishful thinking among the gay activist community that it will.
I too think this Bloomberg hijack of the Colorado state legislature will have been "a bridge too far" for live and let live conservative Colorado, and the next election will show it. They just kicked a sleeping bull in the oysters.
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