Colorado's Recall Elections (Denver: employment, movies, schools)

[iknowftbll]

Originally Posted by Eddyline

We are the United STATES of America. But we are not the United Counties of Colorado.
If you do not understand the difference, I can't help you.
Being a single issue voter, you will find a way to twist the logic.

Right, and our state government is modeled after our federal government. I guess you were not aware if this. I am saying the degree to which the state is modeled after the fed can be improved upon. The difference between states and counties is irrelevant. The scale is what is under discussion.

Also, I'm not a single issue voter. I'm not sure where you came up with that idea.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by iknowftbll

Right, and our state government is modeled after our federal government. I guess you were not aware if this. I am saying the degree to which the state is modeled after the fed can be improved upon. The difference between states and counties is irrelevant. The scale is what is under discussion.

Also, I'm not a single issue voter. I'm not sure where you came up with that idea.

I will say again that it is not comparable.

The states were banding together to form a nation, and that compromise of different structures of the 2 houses of Congress was the only way to make the nation that we became.

I would imagine that counties were carved out AFTER Colorado became a state, not as a condition to make it a state.

Each colony had a unique history as individual entities. Each county doesn't have a unique history as an individual entity in the same sense at all.

[iknowftbll]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

I will say again that it is not comparable.

The states were banding together to form a nation, and that compromise of different structures of the 2 houses of Congress was the only way to make the nation that we became.

I would imagine that counties were carved out AFTER Colorado became a state, not as a condition to make it a state.

Each colony had a unique history as individual entities. Each county doesn't have a unique history as an individual entity in the same sense at all.

All that is true, but even states have peeked off and formed independent states after the constitution was ratified. That is the beauty of our system: laws and jurisdictions can be changed. An effort to further model the state government after the fed does not need to be point for point identical to the fed. All it needs is a model and a logical method by which to scale it down.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by iknowftbll

All that is true, but even states have peeked off and formed independent states after the constitution was ratified. That is the beauty of our system: laws and jurisdictions can be changed. An effort to further model the state government after the fed does not need to be point for point identical to the fed. All it needs is a model and a logical method by which to scale it down.

Well, perhaps county lines need to be redrawn completely to reflect modern population patterns and economic realities, rather than those back in 1876. This is an interesting site:

Pages | Colorado | Atlas of Historical County Boundaries Project

It outlines historical Colorado county boundaries and how they have changed.

[iknowftbll]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Well, perhaps county lines need to be redrawn completely to reflect modern population patterns and economic realities, rather than those back in 1876. This is an interesting site:

Pages | Colorado | Atlas of Historical County Boundaries Project

It outlines historical Colorado county boundaries and how they have changed.

I will look at that later (on mobile device now) but re-drawing county lines is something I'd be open to discussing as well in support of revamping the state Govt. I almost mentioned it a few posts ago but feared "vision overload!" I think anything is on the table, including status quo. I just would like to see more discussion on the matter. If we reach a point where we need to issue a recall we maybe should ask ourselves why, and take a look at the everything involved. When we have counties discussing breaking off and forming a new state it is worth looking at other solutions to address their complaints. Maybe nothing changes, but let's at least give the issue due diligence.

[Eddyline]

Originally Posted by iknowftbll

I will look at that later (on mobile device now) but re-drawing county lines is something I'd be open to discussing as well in support of revamping the state Govt. I almost mentioned it a few posts ago but feared "vision overload!" I think anything is on the table, including status quo. I just would like to see more discussion on the matter. If we reach a point where we need to issue a recall we maybe should ask ourselves why, and take a look at the everything involved. When we have counties discussing breaking off and forming a new state it is worth looking at other solutions to address their complaints. Maybe nothing changes, but let's at least give the issue due diligence.

Not sure there is a problem that needs to be solved. Colorado at one time was a rural state with rural concerns and politics. Now the Front Range Urban corridor is 80% of the state population. What you see as a problem that needs fixing, I see a democracy in action. The majority of Colorado (mostly the urban front range) want minimal gun restrictions. Some laws change as areas get more crowded and more urban. No one is trying to take away your guns.


Edit: just noticed your not from Colorado. So the Colorado Legislature is definately not trying to take away your guns.

[motoracer51]

Originally Posted by Eddyline

No one is trying to take away your guns.


Edit: just noticed your not from Colorado. So the Colorado Legislature is definately not trying to take away your guns.

I keep hearing "nobody want's to take your guns"....

Some reading from this year's headlines:

Hawaii legislature proposes gun confiscation
It

New York Assemblyman asks colleague not to mention that original proposed SAFE Act included confiscation
Assemblyman Lists Gun Confiscation Agenda Of NY Democrats

Missouri Democrats introduce legislation to confiscate guns
Missouri Democrats Introduce Legislation to Confiscate Firearms - Gives Gun Owners 90 Days to Turn in Weapons - Fox Nation

VA has veterans who cannot manage their own financial affairs declared prohibited persons unable to own firearms
Hammond: VA targets veterans for gun confiscation | Human Events

NJ State Senator "We needed a bill that was going to confiscate confiscate confiscate."
http://www.politickernj.com/back_roo...ate-confiscate

[Eddyline]

Originally Posted by motoracer51

I keep hearing "nobody want's to take your guns"....

Some reading from this year's headlines:

This thread is about a recall election in Colorado based on a change in gun laws.
I should have been more specific, "The Colorado Legislature is not trying to take away your guns".

[iknowftbll]

Originally Posted by Eddyline

Not sure there is a problem that needs to be solved.

Perhaps not, but someday you'll be on the outside of the prevailing mindset. I'd be willing to bet it'll be a problem that will need to be solved then. But as long as you're not affected, no problem, right?

Originally Posted by Eddyline

What you see as a problem that needs fixing, I see a democracy in action. The majority of Colorado (mostly the urban front range) want minimal gun restrictions.

A recall election is also democracy in action.
Changing the system when it abandons you is democracy in action.
Ensuring the rights of the minority (or in this case, the voices of sparsely populated rural areas) is democracy in action.
The majority of Colorado OPPOSING the gun legislation but the state assembly pushing it through anyway...not democracy in action, hence the recall elections.

Originally Posted by Eddyline

Edit: just noticed your not from Colorado. So the Colorado Legislature is definately not trying to take away your guns.

First I'm a single issue voter, then I can't comprehend logic, and now I'm not from Colorado. You really should stick to topics about which you are not entirely clueless.

[iknowftbll]

Originally Posted by motoracer51

I keep hearing "nobody want's to take your guns"....

Some reading from this year's headlines:

Hawaii legislature proposes gun confiscation
It

New York Assemblyman asks colleague not to mention that original proposed SAFE Act included confiscation
Assemblyman Lists Gun Confiscation Agenda Of NY Democrats

Missouri Democrats introduce legislation to confiscate guns
Missouri Democrats Introduce Legislation to Confiscate Firearms - Gives Gun Owners 90 Days to Turn in Weapons - Fox Nation

VA has veterans who cannot manage their own financial affairs declared prohibited persons unable to own firearms
Hammond: VA targets veterans for gun confiscation | Human Events

NJ State Senator "We needed a bill that was going to confiscate confiscate confiscate."
Senators Caught on Tape: "Confiscate, Confiscate, Confiscate" | Politicker NJ

Originally Posted by Eddyline

This thread is about a recall election in Colorado based on a change in gun laws.
I should have been more specific, "The Colorado Legislature is not trying to take away your guns".

The above referenced examples are relevant to the Colorado recalls because lawmakers watch and repeat what other lawmakers do. When confiscation is the order of the day in nearby states, it's a matter of time before our own assembly ups the ante in their fight against the U.S. Constitution. These recall elections are also relevant to those states as well. A successful recall effort here in Colorado can also send a message to legislatures in other states too. Nothing happens in a vacuum.