Colorado to accelerate electric car demand in state (Denver, Loveland: for sale, 2014)

[Vision67]

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/07/2...electric-cars/

"State agencies and automobile manufacturers announced an agreement Monday on a proposal intended to get more electric vehicles on Colorado roads faster.

State officials, the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers and the Association of Global Automakers will submit their joint proposal to the state Air Quality Control Commission, which will hold hearings starting Aug. 13 on a zero-emission vehicle rule.

The proposed rule is based on California’s, which requires that a certain percentage of vehicles for sale in the state be electric. The Air Quality Control Commission will make the final decision on adopting California’s standard.

Earlier this year, state officials and the auto groups started talking about alternative proposals, including making the Colorado program voluntary rather than mandatory. In June, state officials said they would concentrate on developing a mandatory standard after failing to reach a consensus.

However, talks continued. The result is a proposal providing an incentive for auto manufacturers to start offering more electric vehicles for sale in Colorado earlier than would be required under a new state regulation, said Will Toor, executive director of the Colorado Energy Office."

"If Colorado approves a rule based on California’s program, a certain amount of manufacturers’ vehicles sold in the state would have to be electric, likely between 6 percent and 10 percent, starting with the 2023 model year. But the proposal announced Monday is aimed at speeding up sales of electric vehicles and providing a transition for automakers by allowing them to start building up their credits under the federal Clean Air Act."

I work in technology. Electric vehicles, both cars and trucks are about to hit a tipping point. Personally, I'm in favor. But I know many others will object to such a significant change.

What do you think?

[BarryK123]

Just listen to the ozone alerts every day. That should be enough to make up your mind.

I like it (and have been driving an EV for 4+ years).

[BornintheSprings]

Originally Posted by BarryK123

Just listen to the ozone alerts every day. That should be enough to make up your mind.

I like it (and have been driving an EV for 4+ years).

Yea those ozone alerts freak me out if I'm ever up in Denver. I want to get a Tesla Model S one of these days.

[LHS79]

This is the dilemma for EV owners- middle of winter and you need a charge in order to go home.

BUT- all of the charging stations are full. Do you wait for an hour or two behind someone already charging then start charging your EV? You may be there awhile.

https://www.wired.com/2014/12/ev-cha...rastructure-2/

Until this is not an issue I'm sticking with gasoline or at least a hybrid.

[BornintheSprings]

Originally Posted by LHS79

This is the dilemma for EV owners- middle of winter and you need a charge in order to go home.

BUT- all of the charging stations are full. Do you wait for an hour or two behind someone already charging then start charging your EV? You may be there awhile.

https://www.wired.com/2014/12/ev-cha...rastructure-2/

Until this is not an issue I'm sticking with gasoline or at least a hybrid.

Its only 1000 bucks to install a home charging station. If you can afford an electric car you can afford a home charging station. Not to meson it will pay for itself since maintenance on electric cars are practically non-existent no oil changes etc.

[flyonpa]

Originally Posted by BornintheSprings

Its only 1000 bucks to install a home charging station. If you can afford an electric car you can afford a home charging station. Not to meson it will pay for itself since maintenance on electric cars are practically non-existent no oil changes etc.

The "Charge" issue is for people in Rented Space. They can't just put in a charger. The Garage/Parking lots are "Common" area that they don't have the access to the Power from.

Putting in a "Home" charger and its power requirement are different then if Condo/Apartment would do it.

Commercial charger cost two-three times as much as a home unit. (They are made to be somewhat Bullet/Idiot proof) and to be used many times per day, by people who do not "care" about them. Since there are many users, you need to have some sort service plan to maintain them, Fix them. Call out for service on EV Chargers is in the next day or few days later range.

If you can't count on power that you can control, you should not have a EV Car at this point. Maybe there will someday be a network of L3 (20 minute) charger in such number that you can count on it being up and available, when you need it. Most of them will not be at "Gas Station" they will be at Fast Food places where the user can kill 20 minutes.

The other Factor, is the "Grid" Most home EV charging goes on at night during off peak usage time when the power companies have excess power to sell "Cheap", Commercial Chargers tend to be done in the evening rush hours, when Electricity demand is at it highest. So all these "Green" cars are being charged by Quick-Start Natural Gas Generators, in power plants across the grid that power up to handle peak loads.

[BarryK123]

Amazing how EV talk brings out such misinformation, such as in the above post.

My "charger" is a cable, that came with the car, supplied by Tesla that plugs in an electric outlet on the wall, similar to a dryer outlet, installed by an electrician.

I can see where renters might have an issue, however, in Colorado there is a law that says a landlord must accommodate the charging needs of an EV owner, at that owner's expense.

In 4+ years of EV ownership, the ONLY time I had to wait to charge (about 20 minutes) was on the day of the solar eclipse, in Cheyenne, when half of Colorado was driving N to Wyo. I also had to wait in heavy traffic on I-25 that day. On the way home, I charged in Loveland and there was no wait.

[Vision67]

My daughter has a Nissan Leaf. I've driven it many times. It's a hoot to drive. It has great acceleration to about 40 mph and it is very quiet. When you get home, plug it in like your cell phone.

The best thing: No petrol ever.

Key limitation is range. But she uses it as a second car.

[DrDog]

Originally Posted by BornintheSprings

Its only 1000 bucks to install a home charging station. If you can afford an electric car you can afford a home charging station. Not to meson it will pay for itself since maintenance on electric cars are practically non-existent no oil changes etc.

Only a $1000. Can you buy mine?

[DrDog]

Originally Posted by LHS79

This is the dilemma for EV owners- middle of winter and you need a charge in order to go home.

BUT- all of the charging stations are full. Do you wait for an hour or two behind someone already charging then start charging your EV? You may be there awhile.

https://www.wired.com/2014/12/ev-cha...rastructure-2/

Until this is not an issue I'm sticking with gasoline or at least a hybrid.

Agree that range is a big problem, especially with charging stations fee and far between.

The other problem is that most electric cars are high end expensive brands. But maybe the governor plans to give them away?