Pueblo - General Info (Denver, Colorado Springs: asbestos, subdivision, airplanes)

[Josseppie]

Not only was it the worse time for Pueblo to have a flood after the city leaders acted out of fear instead of logically assessing the situation thus made poor decisions like giving Denver the moffit tunnel.

[LHS79]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

Not only was it the worse time for Pueblo to have a flood after the city leaders acted out of fear instead of logically assessing the situation thus made poor decisions like giving Denver the moffit tunnel.

The MOFFAT Tunnel was not "given" to Denver- have you ever taken a 4x4 over Rollins Pass to see what that trip was like before the tunnel?

Doubt it.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by LHS79

The MOFFAT Tunnel was not "given" to Denver- have you ever taken a 4x4 over Rollins Pass to see what that trip was like before the tunnel?

Doubt it.

Watch the video it discusses it.

[COcheesehead]

Originally Posted by LHS79

The MOFFAT Tunnel was not "given" to Denver- have you ever taken a 4x4 over Rollins Pass to see what that trip was like before the tunnel?

Doubt it.

You can’t drive over the pass. Part is a wooden trestle open only to foot traffic and the needle eye tunnel has collapsed on the east side.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

Not only was it the worse time for Pueblo to have a flood after the city leaders acted out of fear instead of logically assessing the situation thus made poor decisions like giving Denver the moffit tunnel.

Looks like Denver representatives took advantage of the leverage it had due to the flood to horsetrade the development of the Moffat tunnel in exchange for emergency flood funding for Pueblo. Sensible.

Too bad Pueblo leaders didn't back the earlier legislation that would have authorized three tunnels to have been built across the Divide. You might have seen more equitable development instead of Denver being the 1,000 lb gorilla to Pueblo's 10 lb gibbon.

[TCHP]

That was kind of my read on it as well. I know in the 19th and early 20th centuries, civic pride didn't leave much room for negotiating with other cities, but yes, if Pueblo had given an inch previously, Denver would not have taken a mile when the need arose.

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

Looks like Denver representatives took advantage of the leverage it had due to the flood to horsetrade the development of the Moffat tunnel in exchange for emergency flood funding for Pueblo. Sensible.

Too bad Pueblo leaders didn't back the earlier legislation that would have authorized three tunnels to have been built across the Divide. You might have seen more equitable development instead of Denver being the 1,000 lb gorilla to Pueblo's 10 lb gibbon.

More like Pueblo leaders went to Denver for no reason and should have just built a new Levi like they did the previous one.

[Josseppie]

However we can’t change the past. What we can do is make this Pueblo’s century. I think this proposal would help do that. I support it.

Here's how one citizen group would like to see Pueblo spend $69 million in stimulus money


A downtown gondola ride is among ideas

The group’s top-five ideas include a roughly $20 million gondola ride that would start near the Black Hills Power Stations 5 & 6, "bounce back and forth over” the Historic Arkansas Riverwalk of Pueblo, “land at the south end of the Riverwalk then go over I-25 and land at the Runyon Sports Complex,” said Ryan McWilliams, another group member.

Other ideas include a $10 million youth and activity expansion at the Runyon Sports Complex; a $6 million downtown housing project; a $2 million transportation fund and a $7 million community improvement fund.

The gondola coupled with an expansion at Runyon to include an indoor events building, a youth health care outreach facility and expanded parking would complement each other and alleviate many of the downtown parking issues. It would allow people to park at Runyon and ride the gondola downtown to patronize restaurants and shops and other entertainment opportunities before or after games at the sports complex.

Downtown housing is another project idea

The downtown housing idea, having 9,000 unused housing units in the upper floors of historic downtown buildings renovated and put to use, and the transportation project — for youth transportation to and from the downtown hub from any primary residence in Pueblo County “all kind of tie together and there would be money left over for community improvement as well,” Madic said, to help with funding for residents and businesses in Pueblo County who have qualifying energy or capital improvement projects.

The link: https://www.chieftain.com/story/busi...ZDBvLRNg5OcJtY

[Mike from back east]

Do I understand correctly that there are 9,000 vacant dwelling units in downtown Pueblo?

[Josseppie]

Originally Posted by Mike from back east

Do I understand correctly that there are 9,000 vacant dwelling units in downtown Pueblo?

Yes. And i think its over 9,000.

Honestly I didn’t know it was that much until I read their proposal but it actually makes sense given that downtown problem is the size it is today in the early part of the 20th century and a lot of the historic buildings on the second floor is apartments they aren’t used anymore. It would be nice if we could find a way to get them occupied again. That alone would change downtown.