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The Wilmington, NC MSA, as of 2012, consisted of New Hanover, Brunswick, and Pender counties with a population of 263,429. The person that thought that Brunswick County had become part of the Myrtle beach MSA was mistaken. In addition, for outlying counties to meet the commuting threshold, 15% of the county's workforce must commute into the central county and/or other counties within the MSA for that county to be part of that MSA. Commuters of those other MSA counties commuting to the county in question do not count. It is not two way commuting as someone suggested. Also, someone suggested that Columbia's CSA may merge with the Augusta MSA or Charlotte CSA or Charleston MSA. That is not going to happen. Consider that the Washington and Baltimore MSAs are only 25 miles apart and are still independent of each other.
The Wilmington, NC MSA, as of 2012, consisted of New Hanover, Brunswick, and Pender counties with a population of 263,429. The person that thought that Brunswick County had become part of the Myrtle beach MSA was mistaken.
This is the document from the OMB that shows the new MSA/CSA delineations. Page 41 clearly demonstrates that Brunswick County, NC is now part of the Myrtle Beach MSA. Wilmington's MSA now only consists of New Hanover and Pender counties: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...013/b13-01.pdf
How much does politics influence CSA MSA debate? I didnt know if it was strictly a tool of the Census Bureau of if there is federal money attached to it.. which can make cities like Columbia and Sumter not want to be in the same one because one may take Federal money from the other or have to SHARE....
How much does politics influence CSA MSA debate? I didnt know if it was strictly a tool of the Census Bureau of if there is federal money attached to it.. which can make cities like Columbia and Sumter not want to be in the same one because one may take Federal money from the other or have to SHARE....
Politics really has no influence on this, it pretty much happens since it does not change a tax base or anything of that nature nor does it change where you live it just defines it as something different.
How much does politics influence CSA MSA debate? I didnt know if it was strictly a tool of the Census Bureau of if there is federal money attached to it.. which can make cities like Columbia and Sumter not want to be in the same one because one may take Federal money from the other or have to SHARE....
Politics has nothing to do with it. If the commuting patterns are there, Sumter gets included, no questions.
Sumter, Lee, and Clarendon Counties are a Tri-County area, as considered by many government agencies, locally and state level, and the City of Sumter has it's own Metropolitan Statistical Area. http://www.census.gov/population/est...city/List4.txt
Politics has nothing to do with it. If the commuting patterns are there, Sumter gets included, no questions.
Which is strange.. I would have thought that a good number of people already commuted from Sumter to Columbia... but then again.. from a cost a living perspective.. you could just move to Columbia versus commute from Sumter since both cities are likely comparable. Having made that commute myself for several years.. I wish they would turn 378 into an "expressway" by atleast eliminating some of the median cross overs. Every dirt road or trail up into the woods has their own cross over which causes many a person to slow down in the left lane while attempting to manuver on to it thus causing a rear end crash when someone is trying to pass someone in the left lane only to encounter a vehicle making a slow left at a location that is not that obvious.. I used to see dozens of wrecks.. but I guess SCDOT doesnt feel that its a problem
Which is strange.. I would have thought that a good number of people already commuted from Sumter to Columbia... but then again.. from a cost a living perspective.. you could just move to Columbia versus commute from Sumter since both cities are likely comparable. Having made that commute myself for several years.. I wish they would turn 378 into an "expressway" by atleast eliminating some of the median cross overs. Every dirt road or trail up into the woods has their own cross over which causes many a person to slow down in the left lane while attempting to manuver on to it thus causing a rear end crash when someone is trying to pass someone in the left lane only to encounter a vehicle making a slow left at a location that is not that obvious.. I used to see dozens of wrecks.. but I guess SCDOT doesnt feel that its a problem
I think you are WAY off with that comparison. Sumter is far cheaper to live in than Columbia. My house in Sumter located in a comparable neighborhood in Columbia would be at least 50% more. For example, my house is 3000 sq ft and recently upgraded with new kitchen and baths. My neighborhood is comparable to Shandon. I bought my home 4 years ago just under $250,000. With the market today, it really hasn't appreciated much. In fact it may be worth $10,000 less. Look up houses in Shandon and tell me what they are going for.
Perhaps I looked at this wrong or perhaps I am missing another criteria for this but according to the census, a county becomes considered a part of an adjacent MSA or CSA when more than 15% but less than 25% of their workforce commutes to the parent MSA. By that standard and according to the SC Commerce stats on commuting patterns, Sumter County qualifies:
Sumter Residents that work in:
Richland Co: 11.40%
Lexington Co: 3.40%
Kershaw Co: 2.30%
All three counties are in the Columbia MSA.
So, real question, could this still eventually happen? Maybe in two years?
So, real question, could this still eventually happen? Maybe in two years?
A man with the Census Bureau told me on the phone that it has to be 25% for a county to be added to the MSA. He said Newberry County missed by only 7/10 of a percentage point in the 2010 census. It might make it this time, unless Newberry's late addition of jobs makes more Newberryians stay home to work. Meanwhile, anecdotally, I know a lot of people seem to be driving from Walterboro and Colleton County to the Charleston metro for work. Time will tell.
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