Residents, would you reccomend Columbus over Cincinnati or Cleveland (Ohio City: loan, hotel)

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by 304eer

You didn't tackle the other because you have no rebuttal for them. But good try though. I'm done. Cleveland is a **** town in a ****ty area. If ya'll want to live there, feel free

Thanks for showing your bias and agenda on this topic.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Panther79

Cincinnati...Great Wolf Lodge, Kings Island, professional sports, the #3 ranked Children's hospital. Columbus is full of nothing but places to shop and eat, and Cleveland is just downright miserable (the mistake by the lake as it's known).

Uh, you recommend Cincinnati because of a lodge, amusement park, 2 sports teams, and a hospital?

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

It means Columbus posters are on other forums altogether.

This excuse....again.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by motorman

Only because you've so needlessly and distainfully mentioned my user name in your remarks, am I entering this thread again to repeat a simple observation made earlier - one which the three of you (WRnative and JohnDBaumgardner included) have completely disregarded - that the OP requested input from Columbus residents only. However, as usual, you three think that you're entitled to divert any thread, regardless of topic, to Cleveland.

Well, at least you didn’t try to defend yourself in deliberately posting bogus and misleading population numbers for downtown Cincinnati. Just to say it has largest Ohio downtown population...which it doesn’t. Kinda sad.

[JohnDBaumgardner]

Originally Posted by motorman

Only because you've so needlessly and distainfully mentioned my user name in your remarks, am I entering this thread again to repeat a simple observation made earlier - one which the three of you (WRnative and JohnDBaumgardner included) have completely disregarded - that the OP requested input from Columbus residents only. However, as usual, you three think that you're entitled to divert any thread, regardless of topic, to Cleveland.

Yes, Motorman, a few of us called you out for blatantly misrepresenting FACTS regarding the size and population of Downtown Cincinnati. You continued to spread these outright lies and erroneous information even after several of us provided ACCURATE INFORMATION from websites, most importantly from one that is specifically geared towards that city's downtown district.

If I were you, I'd be embarrassed to come in to these forums, knowing that you are haphazardly throwing out such obvious, even laughable information.

There are better, more productive ways to prop up your beloved city.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 304eer

Except your "facts" were completely wrong and not worth arguing. But here we are.

For instance:

Also, I will stand behind my "Cleveland has the smallest feel" comment. Cleveland has 6 of the tallest 20 buildings in Ohio. Columbus has 10 of 20. Cincinnati has 4.

I'm glad that you raised the issue of "smaller" skyscrapers because a close examination of the issue explains well why Cleveland feels bigger to any objective person than Columbus.

First, Cleveland has by far the tallest buildings in Ohio with the 947-foot Key Tower, the 25th tallest in the U.S. Flanking Cleveland's 10-acre Public Square with the Key Tower is the second-tallest building in Ohio, the historic 751-foot Terminal Tower, still the 75th tallest in the U.S., and the fourth highest building in Ohio -- the 658-foot 200 Public Square.

The tallest building in Columbus, and fifth tallest in Ohio, is the 629-foot Rhodes State Office Tower, over 300 feet shorter than Key Tower in Cleveland!

You would ignore this and ridiculously claim that Columbus has taller buildings because 10 of the 20 tallest buildings in Ohio are in Columbus, compared to only 6 of 20 in Cleveland, dismissing the significance of Cleveland's closely-clustered giants in creating a "big city" feel.

By this logic, let's look at the number of buildings over 300 feet tall. Cleveland has 19 compared to only 17 in Columbus.

Now, let's look at buildings over 200-feet tall. Cleveland has 47 (One University Circle has been completed and is open) compared to only 30 in Columbus. This demonstrates decisively another reason Cleveland feels like a much bigger city than Columbus, not even including its much superior cultural amenities three major pro sport facilities downtown compared to one in Cleveland, and its much superior mass transit system. A big city has a dominant cultural district. Cleveland has that in spades with University Circle. Columbus is relatively deficient in this regard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Cleveland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...Columbus,_Ohio

There's also something to be said for the tunnels connecting whole blocks of skyscrapers in Cleveland, such as in the Tower City/Landmark Office Building complex, and the 925 Building (formerly the Huntington Building) and the Ohio Savings Plaza.

Quicken Loans Arena and Progressive Field are connected to Tower City by a pedestrian walkway, providing easy access to those sports venues for persons traveling downtown for games on Cleveland's rail rapid lines. Visitors to Cleveland could arrive at Cleveland Hopkins, take the Red Line to Tower City, stay in hotel in Tower City, go to the Tower City casino, and enjoy a game or other event at Quicken Loans Arena, without ever going outside in the winter. That's a big city feature shared by few U.S. cities.

The West Side Market dwarfs the Columbus North Market, and its surrounded by the excellent Market District of Ohio City, also enhancing Cleveland's "big city" feel.

Visitors to Cleveland can visit two superb maritime museums (the U.S.S. Cod and Steamship Mather) or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in addition to Cleveland's world-class cultural attractions. They can take lake and river cruises on the Goodtime III and other cruise ships. What comparable attractions are in Columbus?

https://goodtimeiii.com/site/

Cleveland's arcades, Terminal Tower with its observation deck, Heinen's at the Ameritrust Tower, Playhouse Square theater district, Tower City's Avenue Mall, and even the Hilton's Bar 32, a skyscraper lounge, enhance the big city feel of Cleveland's downtown relative to Columbus.

East 4th & Arcades - Gateway District | Downtown Cleveland's Vibrant Commercial, Entertainment, and Residential NeighborhoodGateway District | Downtown Cleveland's Vibrant Commercial, Entertainment, and Residential Neighborhood

https://www.5thstreetarcades.com/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG1cNWp3aVI

https://foursquare.com/v/rta-tower-c...64a520e8d221e3

http://www.thisiscleveland.com/artic...ng-views/1392/

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 13th Alphabet

Idk. I see some arguments on here about the “feel” of each of the 3 C’s. Cleveland is weird in that infrastructure wise, it has the biggest feel of the three cities, yet at the same time there are large swaths that feel relatively empty in comparison to Cincinnati. I guess we can play semantics; Cleveland might feel bigger but Cincinnati IMO feels busier and more cohesive. Idk if it’s due to the more densely built environment of Cincinnati, but it always feels like it has more energy to me in comparison to Cleveland. Short North in Columbus is probably the most bustling and vibrant district in Ohio, but outside of that, Columbus is a distant third in regards to “big city feel” and vibrancy.

Cleveland as of the 2010 census has a population density per square mile of 5,107 much greater than Cincinnati's 3,801, which is even less than the population density of the much larger in land area and sprawling Columbus, with a population density of 3,960, all according to the Wikipedia articles for each city.

Here are more up-to-date population densities based on 2017 population estimates for the three cities: Cleveland (4,962), Columbus (4,048), and Cincinnati (3,866). So there remains a pattern of considerable convergence of population densities, despite a surge in new residential construction in Cleveland, including high-rise residential projects, which may help abate Cleveland's population decline at some point.

https://www.cleveland.com/datacentra...27th_most.html

One University Circle has opened in University Circle, and the Lumen and the Beacon are under construction in downtown Cleveland. All three are high-rise residential buildings, ranging from 20 to 35 stories.

https://www.cleveland.com/business/i..._lumen_at.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beacon_(Cleveland)

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/news/...ing-of-on.html

I doubt Cincinnati actually feels "busier and more cohesive," especially given Cleveland's much superior mass transit options. The east side of Cleveland does have several neighborhoods that are hollowed out with vacant land and even some vacant home problems. These are offset by some very densely populated neighborhoods, such as Shaker Square.

[cbusflyer]

Downtown Cleveland, Cincy tie for me Cbus catching up but still third.

Metro Cbus 1st, Cle 2nd, Cin 3rd.

With no topography, Cbus seems to be continuous development from its core outward. I feel it packs more development in a smaller footprint.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I mean.... the OP specifically asked a subjective question so....

I guess it's better to just have the Columbus forum be silent as usual.

There is no reason for it to be anything but silent. There are better forums to talk about Columbus that aren’t filled with posters from elsewhere clogging the threads with trolling or othe C boosters. Eventually, they all get tired of it and move on, as I mostly have. This is decidedly a Cleveland- and to a lesser degree, Cincinnati- focused forum.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Kamms

This excuse....again.

It’s a fact that Columbus residents post elsewhere. Not sure how that’s an excuse.