Using other people's wifi (cleaning, app, networks, clear)
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I'm thinking we should be complaining about the heavy handed way law enforcement does their job rather than complaining about someone who does not secure their wifi. I don't know why we accept cops doing that when it isn't necessary. It's kind of nice that my neighbor leaves their wifi open.
Sadly that is a result of the fear caused by 9/11. Federal, state and local law enforcement use it as justification to cross the line from being the protector of rights to the oppressor of rights. But that's a whole different topic for a different forum.
Or;
"A recent case in 2011 illustrates this point. A New York resident had his house raided by the police because they suspected that he was downloading child pornography. However, the resident was not responsible for the activity, but rather his neighbor who was logged into the man’s unsecured account. While the resident was not found guilty, he was still involved in the legal process because he did not protect his account with a password. " Wi-Fi Network Criminal Liability | LegalMatch Law Library
What is to prevent that person from driving to the local McDonalds or Starbucks and downloading music, porn or whatever? Does the FBI go in and arrest the Manager at McDonalds?
What is to prevent that person from driving to the local McDonalds or Starbucks and downloading music, porn or whatever? Does the FBI go in and arrest the Manager at McDonalds?
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Originally Posted by Asheville Native
See #46 above.
Yeah, why bother to read all the posts before dropping in an already asked and answered question?
But even 'securing' wi-fi doesn't prevent one from hacking into the network. It slows them down, but it's still possible. Are they going to make laws to require a certain password strength and encryption level? Say I secure my network with the password "password". Yeah it'll get hacked. And someone does something illegal on it. So would I still be held liable? That's why I hate those types of laws. It's like prosecuting a car owner who didn't lock the car door and gets his car stolen. Not smart on his part, but he shouldn't be held legally liable.
There really is no concern about getting caught up if someone does something illegal on a "borrowed" network. There are ways to determine which machine performed the activity. So while there is a risk of temporary inconvenience while it gets sorted out, the odds of being convicted are relatively slim.
At my house, my network card picks up 9 wireless networks (it's a powerful card). 1 is completely open, 3 use WEP, 4 use WPA, and I use WPA2. The open one speaks for itself, the 3 WEP networks I could get into in about 10 minutes, but I have specialized skills. The WPA networks would take too long to be worth the trouble. The only risk these 4 people take is to themselves, since leaving their network open like that exposes their information to theft, not so much a concern about something illicit that could happen on the network.
I used to have a sequestered subnet that I would leave open @ a bandwidth allocation of 56k speeds for passers-by to use as sort of a community benefit, but I caught someone trying to VLAN hop so I had to close it off. Idiots always gotta ruin it for others.
There really is no concern about getting caught up if someone does something illegal on a "borrowed" network. There are ways to determine which machine performed the activity. So while there is a risk of temporary inconvenience while it gets sorted out, the odds of being convicted are relatively slim.
At my house, my network card picks up 9 wireless networks (it's a powerful card). 1 is completely open, 3 use WEP, 4 use WPA, and I use WPA2. The open one speaks for itself, the 3 WEP networks I could get into in about 10 minutes, but I have specialized skills. The WPA networks would take too long to be worth the trouble. The only risk these 4 people take is to themselves, since leaving their network open like that exposes their information to theft, not so much a concern about something illicit that could happen on the network.
I used to have a sequestered subnet that I would leave open @ a bandwidth allocation of 56k speeds for passers-by to use as sort of a community benefit, but I caught someone trying to VLAN hop so I had to close it off. Idiots always gotta ruin it for others.
I must have one hell of a powerful network card as mine at my house picks up 12.
At my house, my network card picks up 9 wireless networks (it's a powerful card). 1 is completely open, 3 use WEP, 4 use WPA, and I use WPA2. The open one speaks for itself, the 3 WEP networks I could get into in about 10 minutes, but I have specialized skills. The WPA networks would take too long to be worth the trouble. The only risk these 4 people take is to themselves, since leaving their network open like that exposes their information to theft, not so much a concern about something illicit that could happen on the network.
A powerful card , more likely you have a card that meets the WiFi standards and 9 nearby networks. (receiving requires sensitivity, not power )
10 minutes to hack WEP. The force is weak within your special skills. People with literally no networking skills can hack WEP is less. They have learned how to use Google and read. 10 minutes if you include downloading and burning Backtrack Live CD.
But even 'securing' wi-fi doesn't prevent one from hacking into the network. It slows them down, but it's still possible. Are they going to make laws to require a certain password strength and encryption level? Say I secure my network with the password "password". Yeah it'll get hacked. And someone does something illegal on it. So would I still be held liable? That's why I hate those types of laws. It's like prosecuting a car owner who didn't lock the car door and gets his car stolen. Not smart on his part, but he shouldn't be held legally liable.
You are correct, NOTHING is absolutely secure.
However, between MAC filtering, WPA2 w/strong passstring, not broadcasting SSID, etc., it can be made more difficult than the aveage amature hacker looking for a free access or just to create a little mistchief can overcome. Unless they have a personal vendetta against you personally, they are going to move on to easier targets.
Of course if your SSID, your routers password, your encryption key are all your dogs name, expect to be hacked.
Of course if your SSID, your routers password, your encryption key are all your dogs name, expect to be hacked.
I'm way smarter than that, I use 1234567 cause whos gonna guess that, right? ..........right?
(before someone jumps my ass and misses my sarcasm/jest, I use passphrases, like "I've lived on 17th street." - capital letters, special characters, numbers, spaces, punctuation)
I must have one hell of a powerful network card as mine at my house picks up 12.
I guess it's worth pointing out that I live in Mercer Island Washington, so there's a considerable distance between houses (to say nothing of the ambient interference that is just part of life in the Seattle area). My laptops, for example, can only pick up 3. If you live in an apartment complex, sure, you can pick up half a building.
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, more likely you have a card that meets the WiFi standards and 9 nearby networks.
(receiving requires sensitivity, not power 
)
The force is weak within your special skills. People with literally no networking skills can hack WEP is less. They have learned how to use Google and read. 10 minutes if you include downloading and burning Backtrack Live CD.
