[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by MetsNY

So what you are saying is if you take away Section 8 and the projects, Norwalk would be an almost fully upper middle class city with low crime? Where would those indiviuals go? Just because you knock down the housing projects doesn't mean the residents aren't poor anymore...

Who cares where they will go? When did it become imperative for me to care about someone elses financial status or provide housing for them if they cant afford to live here so that I can have to worry about the crime that comes with them?

The housing projects and Section 8 housing to contribute to crime but that crime won't end just because you eliminate where they live...they still going to commit crimes. You think by tearing down buildings they are automatically going to up and leave? The problem with most of these individuals is they only know one thing, and that's the area they came from and grew up in, it's going to take a lot more for them to leave.

Genetally they are here only because they get a free ride. Take away the perks & they will go somewhere else for them. People have posted on the CT forum before asking about our section 8 programs because they were interested in moving. Theyre poor, not stupid.

Im actually going to say Bridgeport's most high crime areas aren't even where the projects are anymore. Father Panik used to be the area for the most criminal activity in the city, but they knocked it down. That was on the East Side. Guess where all the crime in Bridgeport is today? Still the east side, even without the projects. The projects now are on the West Side, North End and down by Seaside with Marina Village and these areas aren't considered the worst in the city.

Where do the guys commiting the crime come from?

Point im making is, you can say the most crime occurs in areas of subsidized housing, but the truth is, even if you knock it down, the people will stay say.

Some might, but most wont like getting rained on.

Stamford is much more upper class than Norwalk, Manhattan is much more upper class than Stamford. They all have "bad neighborhoods". Why? Even with the influx of money and power in these places, the people who were there beforehand only know this area and they won't move just because some yuppies move in.

Are you saying only yuppies would rather not live with perpetual violence commited by those who live off the generosity of the residents?

[MetsNY]

Wow.

Never once said I supported those on Section 8 or living in the public housing, all I said was, you get rid of it and they are still poor, still committing crimes, no matter if they have a place to live or not.

Don't jump down my throat cause your pissed. I could care less where they live or what they do, I'm not involved with it or live there, but I understand that it won't just go away cause you want it to.

[Stylo]

They are still poor, which means they'd have to move to a cheaper area because non-subsidized Norwalk is expensive. What about that isn't making sense?

[MetsNY]

There are plenty of neighborhoods in Norwalk that aren't Section 8 or Housing Projects that are "cheaper" than the rest of the neighborhoods in Norwalk and are not "desirable." There are plenty of areas in Stamford and Norwalk that aren't subsidized but still offer cheap and non-desirable places to live.

What about that doesnt make sense? Neighborhoods across the country don't go from AMAZING to BAD, maybe Manhattan in some sports but that's about it. Neighborhoods tend to degrade little by little. So if you're in the projects, especially in a place like Norwalk, you don't walk across the street and are in this amazing area. Same with Bridgeport. They get better and better the further you go away from the bad areas. But don't make it seem like there aren't bad people livin' outside Subsidized housing and the projects in Norwalk, and don't make it seem like there aren't poor people livin' outside the projects and subsidized housing either.

[Stylo]

Not cheap like subsidized housing. "Cheap" for Norwalk is $1200 a month for a family apartment. Some projects are $200-$300 a month.

Not a lot of affordable rents in Norwalk: http://www.realtor.com/homesforrent/...T/price-0-1200

Most of the shootings and homicides in Norwalk exists in the projects in South Norwalk.

[ffldresident24]

-north norwalk is nothing special compared to north stamford
-sono is brutal
-some parts of east norwalk are nice(westport border) and other areas are like sono
-without rowayton, norwalk living stats would look alot worse(they consider themselves darien anyway if you ever talk to a person from there)
-west norwalk is okay, some bad spot and some nice spots

minus the darien wanabee's, norwalk is a completely middle class to lower class city.

[Stylo]

Originally Posted by ffldresident24

minus the darien wanabee's, norwalk is a completely middle class to lower class city.

Funny, the real estate prices don't reflect that at all.

Or the demographics: According to a 2007 estimate, the median income for a household in the city was $70,672, and the median income for a family was $83,695.

[ffldresident24]

Originally Posted by mkiv808

Funny, the real estate prices don't reflect that at all.

Or the demographics: According to a 2007 estimate, the median income for a household in the city was $70,672, and the median income for a family was $83,695.

okay now redo those #'s without factoring in anyone with a rowayton adress. the pop will go down 10k(ballpark) and the other numbers will go down alot more....

[Stylo]

Originally Posted by ffldresident24

okay now redo those #'s without factoring in anyone with a rowayton adress. the pop will go down 10k(ballpark) and the other numbers will go down alot more....

Rowayton has about 5,000 people in it. Also median is a lot different statistic than average. You'd be surprised how little that number would move.

[ffldresident24]

was at a family members house 2night. there was a shooting down the street. got to love those tuesday shootings. tuesday in norwalk is the new staurday night.