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Old 09-01-2011, 05:36 AM
 
Location: New England
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Can we actually see some stats on this married/pregnant at 19 thing? If there are stats to back it up, I have to agree. Married women should be excluded from teen pregnancy rates.

I was 18 and in Texas and I didn't know anyone married or preggers... But I guess I wouldn't meet them at the University.
No you probably wouldn't. lol And I have a feeling you weren't hanging around Lubbock, Odessa and other more rural parts.

I'll try and find the actual numbers again if I can. I saw the info a while ago.

Also keep in mind Hispanic women nationally are about 20% more likely to be pregnant than black and about 8% more than white women before the age of 20. (like 6% vs 26%) The obscene abortion rate among young black females I'm sure it part of that skew. I'm sure the Mexican's in TX affect that number as well.
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Old 09-01-2011, 07:20 PM
 
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You're trying to attach free market supply and demand in the housing market to political policy. Two different things. Just look at nyc cost of housing(or even long island area) vs. Buffalo. Same state politics. Two drastically different housing costs.
Respectfully, I am doing no such thing. I imagine myself in an in extremis scenario - no job, no house, no savings, no prospects.

Based on the numbers, I could drive to Texas, pick up a minimum wage job, and get an apartment. In the event my significant other chose to come with me, rather than stay behind in CT and starve in the comfort of familiar surroundings, I could pack away enough for a down payment on a median-priced house within a year.

Assuming one did not resume the lifestyle to which one had become accustomed - where the "debt" = "wealth" - one could have a very nice life, knowing one's neighbors and playing killer pinochle.

All on minimum wage.

So puh-leeze - all I'm saying' is you can have a nice quality of life in a minimum wage state. You can't have a nice quality of life in CT on minimum wage, once your credit lines get cut off.

By the way - are you aware that Buffalo has become a destination of choice for many of the disenfranchised middle-aged, formerly middle class in the Northeast? It has a critical mass of edumacattid people. You can buy a house outright for $30K and live like a king on Social Security. Assuming, again, that you don't resume your prior worldview, that "Debt" = "Wealth". North Tonawanda is the area I hear about the most.

Don't knock Buffalo, please. I don't live there, but it has a lot going for it, what with being able to live in a nice area of town at $500/month, all in, for one's housing nut. Better than Texas, even, from that standpoint.

Of course, there are the winters. But if you're friendly with your neighbors, you can have quite the nice coterie over those long winters. You pool grocery lists, and get 'em delivered (trust plays in here - that's why it's necessary to extend yourself to integrate with your neighbors). You close off parts of the house, and revert to a cozy 50s existence, keeping the pipes warm in 60% of the house at 50 degrees while living in the 65 degree remainder.

Fer heaven's sake. In exchange for freedom from debt slavery, this would be a REALLY mild trade-off.

So, in sum, please don't knock Buffalo! I don't live there, but it has a lot going for it, what with living in a nice area of town at $500/month, all in, for housing. Better than Texas, even, from that standpoint. Attractive even for a person such as myself, currently employed in a job that can't be outsourced. BUT in an area where the monthly nut is high, attributable to being in a place where there are jobs.

Looking at it from a certain standpoint, it's even-steven. Working here, in a highly built up place, or going to Buffalo - where I'd be socking away cash even if I'm living on dividends. BUT where there is a lot more open space, greenery, and parks in which to walk my dog whilst hiking at a dignified pace. OK, pokey pace.

Have it your way, at a stately middle aged pace, with adjustments for looking at scenery and taking in sights. Some of the most spectacular state parks I have ever been in have been in upstate New York!

All depends on what floats your boat. Personally, I go for freedom every time.
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Old 09-01-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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Yeah we may have ghettos and poor areas, which I'm sure those poors and ghetto folks are living better than most states. As for Texas which dose have the poorest county and the poorest city, while in Connecticut we have the richest...
With respect, are you benefitting from this richness, Angie?

What, exactly, are your equities in defending a state with the highest taxes, the highest proportion of AFDC, the highest electric bills, the highest gasoline bills, the second highest proportion of state expenditures directed to entitlement programs? Are you personally benefitting from the largesse that is extracted from the earning class, that goes to support the (increasing number of) people deemed unable to support themselves?

If so, I surmise that you have been bought. Beware of the times to come, when you will be sold. Nothing lasts forever.

Just askin'. Like I said, respectfully.
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Old 09-01-2011, 07:38 PM
 
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You'll notice I phrased it as a question to where it had one of the highest murder rates of any state. Yeah, drug deal gone bad = state executes a citizen. What ever happened to thou shalt not kill and two wrongs don't make a right? Anyway, Texas is way higher than many states that don't have a death penalty(nearly 4 times the murder rate of RI) and that's only one year of data. Southern states with death penalties are notorious for having high murder rates.
Let's deconstruct that "murder" thingie, shall we?

I am in Texas. I get mugged. I shoot the guy dead.

Methinks you should be looking at conviction rates, rather than deaths, me hearty.

Just saying.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:14 PM
 
Location: NJ
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jane-smith, post 92 is excellent. The high cost state mindset doesn't get it. More 19 year olds pregnant with kids in Texas, yes, I see more in Tn, too, because like Texas, a family can have a very nice house here of reasonable size (say 1,800 sq feet in towns whose look and feel is say like Milford, Ct) on ONE income of a factory worker with a moderate skill level job. The same way people once could do the same aT BIC in Milford, or any of multiple factories in Brideport. Both corp and these 1 income families benefit from uber low utility costs and uber low property tax rates here an in Texas, so they already enjoy distinct cost advantages vs high cost states.

Your post 92 and this analysis (and i know tons who fit the profile here) go hand-in-hand, and growing up in Milford, I went to school with many such families who enjoyed that lifestyle in Milford 30 and 40 years ago. Some states have priced out such people, some have not. It does no benefit to price them out, and it reeks of elitism to some degree.
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Old 09-02-2011, 04:39 AM
 
Location: In a house
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I don't believe that a society should ever give the government the right to kill it's citizens under any circumstances. Furthermore, since we have likely made errors and killed the innocent, I'll pass on the death penalty until we have a perfect justice system.

I agree to an extent. There are cases where convictions are got from long convoluted strings of events pieced together from investigation. But there are also many cases where there is no doubt that its the right guy. Its not the govt killing them anyway, its us, the people & I'm sorry but there are definately crimes horrible enough that it adds insult to injury to use a victims tax dollars to feed & house the convicted. I think it should be up to the victims family in most cases, after all, very few crimes are actually against the state. If someone rapes my daughter or kills a member of my family all the state loses is a tax payer. They can decide guilt but the victim should have a say in punishment. But we are off topic I think.
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Old 09-02-2011, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Central Connecticut
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With respect, are you benefitting from this richness, Angie?

What, exactly, are your equities in defending a state with the highest taxes, the highest proportion of AFDC, the highest electric bills, the highest gasoline bills, the second highest proportion of state expenditures directed to entitlement programs? Are you personally benefitting from the largesse that is extracted from the earning class, that goes to support the (increasing number of) people deemed unable to support themselves?

If so, I surmise that you have been bought. Beware of the times to come, when you will be sold. Nothing lasts forever.

Just askin'. Like I said, respectfully.
I'm sure Hawaii and some other places in this country that are more EXPENSIVE than Connecticut, just somethings that are higher than the other. Talking about the highest, please. & for the record, changed it to ONE of, not everything is the highest, just some...unless you'er a Connecticut hater? (haters just keep talking )

I have pride for my state, so of course I'm going to defend it, and keep it on the positive side.
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Old 09-02-2011, 04:53 AM
 
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Oh we're not in the 1700s

In my view its no different, it's another cycle for murdering another human. Dose it end.

I really believe death penalty is no better, but adding worst to the situation. What if you knew this person who maybe accused of murdering and you know he/she going to be dead soon? How would this make you feel? It is too negative and depressing! If I believe my cousin (not that I know one, just example LOL) is innocent and I see how the state going to murdered my own loved one, so where is my justice? Then in the end, I dont see any fairness... it's only between murderer and the dead person... the dead person move on from his/her life no longer suffered like the living murderer.

I believe everyone should pursuit forgivingness, not letting their ego to take over. Hurts heals over time.
Whats the time period got to do with it? Does it somehow make it more removed to use a machine instead of a bullet or rope? I think it makes it easier & it shouldn't be easy. Anyway its not murder, murder by definition is unjustified killing. If its just its not murder. Self defense isn't murder. If more people took their own saftey seriously there would be less murder & less executions simply because the attacked could kill the murderer before they murdered. Sympathy for criminals breeds crime. Thats why, with all our laws you are much more likely to get violently attacked or murdered in the 21st century than you were in the 18th or even the wild west.
Hurts heal, but murdered people dont come back. What if your cousin was killed instead of the accused. What if 15 years after your cousin was murdered in cold blood you were out eating dinner & his murderer was your waiter? Or better yet what if the guy got out & kills again?
I realize we have killed the wrong people in the past & if theres any question about guilt I agree with you. But often there is no question & court is almost a formality.
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Central Connecticut
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Whats the time period got to do with it? Does it somehow make it more removed to use a machine instead of a bullet or rope? I think it makes it easier & it shouldn't be easy. Anyway its not murder, murder by definition is unjustified killing. If its just its not murder. Self defense isn't murder. If more people took their own saftey seriously there would be less murder & less executions simply because the attacked could kill the murderer before they murdered. Sympathy for criminals breeds crime. Thats why, with all our laws you are much more likely to get violently attacked or murdered in the 21st century than you were in the 18th or even the wild west.
Hurts heal, but murdered people dont come back. What if your cousin was killed instead of the accused. What if 15 years after your cousin was murdered in cold blood you were out eating dinner & his murderer was your waiter? Or better yet what if the guy got out & kills again?
I realize we have killed the wrong people in the past & if theres any question about guilt I agree with you. But often there is no question & court is almost a formality.
The only justice I would look into is really beating the life out of that person before he unable to function for his intire life, or becoming disabled. Now if he dead then um yea he free from suffering then there is really no fairness because I'm sure those that suffering who lost their loved ones I'm sure they might as well wish to be dead. If the murderer was okay to be dead, do I think thats justice, NO. Because the man knew anyways, so mind as well died and if he believes he going to some place better. So who knows

People died for a reason, it's all fate.
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Old 09-03-2011, 03:14 PM
 
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Cause he was a Democrat in 1988. I don't have to look it up. I knew that. He's certainly not a Democrat now.

Stop listening to what the pundits say and think for yourself. He supports mainstream Republican positions and zero Democratic positions. If he's not conservative enough for you that's fine. That doesn't mean he's a Democrat.

I know its fun to call the Republicans Dem's, and the Dem's Socialists, but it really isn't original, nor does it further discussion.
He is a RINO, a puppet of the banking cartel and a neocon.
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