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Old 12-06-2011, 06:04 AM
 
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This is a disgrace. IMO, it won't stop until police get 100% cooperation from the community. Not only that, John DeStef-enabler needs to be ousted.

Man Shot And Killed In New Haven - Courant.com
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Old 12-06-2011, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Not only that, John DeStef-enabler needs to be ousted.
We tried.

There is a new movement in New Haven to stop some of the violence (Out In The Hall, An Idea Is Born | New Haven Independent) ("Don't Shoot" -- But Do Join In | New Haven Independent) but who knows if that will work. It's more promising than anything that's happened in a while. Most of the shootings are still concentrated in the same neighborhoods - Newhallville, the Hill, etc.

Complete mismanagement of the police department by the mayor's office hasn't helped. The last chief snuck out of town on a Friday night after being totally ineffective. The new chief has only been in town a couple weeks - not sure how that will work out.

Disappointing to say the least. DH works with local students - most of them know people who have been shot or killed, or have family members in jail, and just take it as something that happens. It's difficult to see kids having to deal with that.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Well, it doesn't help that DeStefano is mayor. That guyis as incompetent as they get and yet he keeps getting re-elected. Until that, and the public's indifference towards this stops, the crime will prevail. I saw on the news there was yet another homicide this morning. IMO, in the interest of saving valuable news time, the media should only be reporting from New Haven if a day goes by when there ISN'T a shooting or a murder. It's that bad.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Republic of New England
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New Haven was worst way back when... so who complaining
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:25 AM
 
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I wish some one had some effective solutions to gang culture.

New Haven has so much going for it- hospitals, universities, culture, restaurant/bar scene, waterfront, wonderful,close knit neighborhoods. And yet it is marred by those certain areas where most of the violence happens.

Even in those areas, church presence is strong and many residents work for the betterment of the area. Worst thing is, you expect those dreadful crime numbers to happen in places that look like the south Bronx, with crumbing high rise tenements and nary a tree in sight. Many of New Haven's worst neighborhoods are 2-3 family homes on leafy, tree lined streets. If you didn't know how dangerous certain areas are you would never guess just by looking.

It's just appalling. I'm not even sure just what the police can do. Is there somewhere in the country where a different type of policing has changed gang culture ? New Haven violence is all about gangs and drugs. What works ? How do you turn this around?
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:43 AM
 
Location: New England
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This is a disgrace. IMO, it won't stop until police get 100% cooperation from the community. Not only that, John DeStef-enabler needs to be ousted.

Man Shot And Killed In New Haven - Courant.com
Yikes! Is New Haven leading the state this year among the "big 3"?
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Well, it doesn't help that DeStefano is mayor. That guyis as incompetent as they get and yet he keeps getting re-elected. Until that, and the public's indifference towards this stops, the crime will prevail.
No one electable has tried to face him. There is barely a Republican party in New Haven. Not saying that's what's needed, but a one party city with no term limits is dangerous.
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Disappointing to say the least. DH works with local students - most of them know people who have been shot or killed, or have family members in jail, and just take it as something that happens. It's difficult to see kids having to deal with that.
That is the biggest problem. A complacent community will never change. They've been beaten down into acceptance.
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Newhallville, what a surprise.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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We tried.

There is a new movement in New Haven to stop some of the violence (Out In The Hall, An Idea Is Born | New Haven Independent) ("Don't Shoot" -- But Do Join In | New Haven Independent) but who knows if that will work. It's more promising than anything that's happened in a while. Most of the shootings are still concentrated in the same neighborhoods - Newhallville, the Hill, etc.

Complete mismanagement of the police department by the mayor's office hasn't helped. The last chief snuck out of town on a Friday night after being totally ineffective. The new chief has only been in town a couple weeks - not sure how that will work out.

Disappointing to say the least. DH works with local students - most of them know people who have been shot or killed, or have family members in jail, and just take it as something that happens. It's difficult to see kids having to deal with that.

These things never work because they are based on the false assumption that the people doing the shootings/murder are reasonable. They aren't. And that these murders are premeditated or justified in the mind of the people committing them. They aren't. It's just random violence. We'd like to think that there's more to it, so that we can think there's an easy fix. But it's not, and there isn't. Animals have been killing each other since the dawn of time over turf, food, survival etc. Humans are no different.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:12 AM
 
Location: New England
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No one electable has tried to face him. There is barely a Republican party in New Haven. Not saying that's what's needed, but a one party city with no term limits is dangerous.
The governor's race was like 97% democratic votes in New Haven.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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Now personally I've never seen what good governing qualities anyone has ever seen in DeStephano. It's beyond me why he keeps getting elected. Bad enough that there is no competition from the other party or from his own. No one from either party seems to be able to mount a successful campaign against him. Rather than a two party system, it's a one man show in New Haven- ugh.

But for those who keep talking about having a Republican in office -- Just how is that going to help the violence ? What miracle is supposed to happen with a Rep. mayor ? You think the gang bangers are suddenly going to see the light and behave themselves because there's a Republican mayor.

Tougher on crime ? You still have to find the perpetrators, still have to have make the charges stick, still have to convict them. Still have to change the gang mindset in prison and afterwards. Just having a Republican mayor in office is not going to make that happen in a " no snitchin". culture. Longer prison sentences ? There is always another younger, even meaner gang banger right behind those that get sent away.

There are really no quick and simple solutions in New Haven. The problems are beyond one man fixing them IMHO.
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