[Stylo]

Originally Posted by anon860

Stylo:

Re: ITO
How many of those fatalities were of New Haven residents versus suburbanites driving in to the city center? How many occurred along the interstate highways and didn't even involve residents of our state? There are plenty of studies out there on comparative risk. Read them.

Re: Life expectancy
Drive Less, Live Longer (Yes, I read the actual study, too).

Crime statistics do not account for whether the resident lived in the city or not, so your argument on resident vs. non-resident is moot.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by Stylo

Crime statistics do not account for whether the resident lived in the city or not, so your argument on resident vs. non-resident is moot.

LOL, exactly. And how many of those that happened in Hamden or North Haven were New Haven residents? Again, doesn't matter.

[anon860]

I disagree. Obviously you are going to have more crashes in areas that have more traffic. If you wish to live on a dirt road and never drive anywhere, you can live without any fear of a traffic crash.

The original point was about the risk to an urban resident versus a suburban resident (the latter tending to commute much longer distances), and your map of fatalities from ITO does not add anything to that discussion.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by anon860

The original point was about the risk to an urban resident versus a suburban resident (the latter tending to commute much longer distances), and your map of fatalities from ITO does not add anything to that discussion.

Stylo's map shows a much higher number of accidents (vehicle, bicycle and pedestrian) in New Haven. There are only a few in the surrounding towns. That's risk.

[anon860]

kidyankee: Concentration does not equal risk. Your risk of dying in a roller coaster crash are greater on a roller coaster than they are at your house. But that does not mean that working at the theme park automatically puts you at any risk of dying in a roller coaster crash.

Also, even if you wanted to look at geographic locations, here are 2008 data on all fatal crashes, from ConnDOT http://www.ct.gov/dot/lib/dot/documents/dpolicy/ctaf/ctaf.pdf: (broken link)
New Haven: 10 killed (pop 130000): Rate = 0.008%
East Haven, Hamden, Milford, and West Haven combined: 25 killed (pop 190000): Rate = 0.013%

Adjust for daytime population rather than residential population (i.e., New Haven gains tens of thousands every day according to the Census, while suburbs lose people), and New Haven would look even safer.

[Stratford, Ct. Resident]

Originally Posted by anon860

Also, even if you wanted to look at geographic locations, here are 2008 data on all fatal crashes, from ConnDOT http://www.ct.gov/dot/lib/dot/documents/dpolicy/ctaf/ctaf.pdf: (broken link)
New Haven: 10 killed (pop 130000): Rate = 0.008%
East Haven, Hamden, Milford, and West Haven combined: 25 killed (pop 190000): Rate = 0.013%

How many miles did the New Haven drivers log? How many miles for the East Haven drivers? How many miles did the Hamden/Milford/WH drivers log?

Without seeing cumulative mileage data, the fatality rate cannot be accurately factored.

[gilfman]

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[btownboss4]

Originally Posted by anon860

"you're unknowingly admitting the suburbs are safer."

Not really - I'm talking about families avoiding the small areas of low-income housing projects if they can. If you are talking about safety overall, the suburbs can be statistically about 10 to 100 times more dangerous, because of the increased risk that is due to driving longer distances. One hour of driving translates to 20 minutes of lost life expectancy, but the time is actually more dangerous in outer areas because of the higher speeds there (driving in a city isn't generally as bad, because speeds generally average about 12 miles per hour when you include lights, etc). Of course, as I pointed out above, these odds can change if you are part of an at-risk group or are involved in illegal activity yourself, just as the odds of dying in a car crash increase if you have a longer commute or have to drive several miles just to buy a quart of milk.

So if someone has a 1 hour round trip commute 30 years, and do 100 hours of extra-commuting driving a year then they lose 2 years of life, thats Bullsh*t.