01-03-2012, 01:55 PM
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mikelizard860
Yeah, the purpose of the 2nd amendement right to bear arms was so we'd have guns to overthrow the government if it became tyrannical. NOTHING to do with crime. Also, the 2nd amendment only applies to personal firearmes that existed at that time. So basically semi-auto hand guns/full auto machine guns, and rocket launchers, bombs/grenades ect. aren't covered under it.
Where do you get stuff like this?
Protecting oneself from crime was important back in the Founders' time, too, you know.
And how do you like that single-shot flintlock pistol of yours?
01-03-2012, 02:13 PM
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adamz
Where do you get stuff like this?
Have you read the constitution? The whole country was founded on this principle. What do you think those Michigan Militia's are all about. I find it hilarious how some pro gun rights people don't even know their own stuff. They think the 2nd amendment is about crime! LMFAO! Forming Militia's to overthrow the federal powers and spread of power to states to limit federal authority. Read up on some history. The 2nd was all about not taking away people's INDIVIDUAL right to fight the government. What's the first thing Hitler did when he took over? He de-armed the population. Only the cops and governement had firearms.
My, what ignorance.
01-03-2012, 02:20 PM
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The government should fear the people....not the people fearing the government! That basically sums up constitutional gun rights. Oh and denying a convicted sex offender a firearm is unconstitutional. It say ALL citizens have a right to bear arms. It doesn't put a sub clause in there about being convicted of a crime.
01-03-2012, 02:25 PM
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
01-03-2012, 02:41 PM
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adamz
Where do you get stuff like this?
I'm not saying the exact same weapon. I just mean a weapon with similiar characteristics like a revolver or a shotgun/hunting rifle. The right to bear arms doesn't mean people can stash away C-4 explosives or rocket launchers or a fully automatic machine gun.
01-03-2012, 03:06 PM
Location: La Jolla, CA
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My father had left it lying on a table after cleaning it, and I was at home by myself during the summer vacation.
Dad's mistake--a serious one. He left the gun out, and he hadn't educated you about how to handle it, very obviously.
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A friend stopped by---picked up the gun and aimed it me---thankfully he was smart enough not to pull the trigger.
The word "smart" has no place in that statement. He was an idiot to
pick it up and aim it at you in the first place .
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He checked and we were both shocked to see it was loaded.
Really?!
Either your friend was a moron, or you made this story up.
No person with encephalographic activity, with enough brains to identify whether a gun was loaded, would pick up a gun sitting in someone's house, fail to look at whether it was loaded, and then point it at
anyone . That action has multiple layers of stupidity, and a little luck. Nothing smart about any of that. You never point guns at people. Doing it without looking to see if it was loaded, while being in possession of the basic skills to determine whether or not it was loaded, is so dumb it's beyond words. So dumb as to be unconscionable.
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andthentherewere3
To the poster that asked if the OP had a dog, whatever for? None of my dogs would ever attack anyone, they would either lick an intruder to death or hide under the bed.
Are you postulating that, because your dogs are useless for home protection, all dogs must therefore be useless for home protection? That would be highly inaccurate.
01-03-2012, 04:30 PM
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Here in WI they just passed CC so I'm expecting to see a rash of people going to the emergency room with accidental self-inflicted foot injuries.
I'm expecting you will be disappointed. Have you noticed a higher number of self inflicted foot shootings in the other 47 states that already had carry permits?
01-03-2012, 04:31 PM
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Just like the separation of church and state.
yup.
01-03-2012, 05:05 PM
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You kill innocent wild animals. congrats.
Irrelevant to this topic.
They don't shoot back.
As you stated, do you sleep with your handgun? LMFAO Silly argument. There really is no benefit to a handgun over a shotgun for home defense. This sounds kind of like paranoia to me. You walk around your house with a holstered firearm 24/7? wtf? You an enforcer with a drug cartel?
You are being silly. My point about the animals was experience with the actual effects of gunshots, nothing more. The poster insinuated I didnt know what a shotgun wound would look like.
The ONLY benefit of a handgun is that you can carry it with you. Sleeping or any time you dont have it that advantage is gone. So as I said, when in bed a shotgun might be better. But I dont have a shotgun there because that would be unsafe, theres too many people around.
Why does a person need to be involved with crime to carry a gun? Its amusing that most people who dont carry come up with ridiculous comments like you just did. I dont even walk around my house 24/7, but if I'm up & dressed its a very good bet I'm armed. Its not a silly point however to acknowledge that a gun on your person is reasonably going to be easier to get to. I dont look at carrying it as anything special at all. YOU do, but thats you. Are police paranoid? They must be, after all who commits a crime or attacks them? They only bother with a criminal after the fact and they carry off duty, most of them all the time, the experts
. So if its reasonable for them its very reasonable for you. Another thing is its not even remotely inconvenient anymore with modern guns. No more uncomfortable than a cell phone or a wallet. We arent talking about strapping on a six shooter in the old west.
If a person wants a shotgun in the corner for home defense thats fine, if they want a permit so they can go one step further thats even better.
01-03-2012, 05:11 PM
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Tin Knocker
You are being silly. My point about the animals was experience with the actual effects of gunshots, nothing more. The poster insinuated I didnt know what a shotgun wound would look like.
The ONLY benefit of a handgun is that you can carry it with you. Sleeping or any time you dont have it that advantage is gone. So as I said, when in bed a shotgun might be better. But I dont have a shotgun there because that would be unsafe, theres too many people around.
Why does a person need to be involved with crime to carry a gun? Its amusing that most people who dont carry come up with ridiculous comments like you just did. I dont even walk around my house 24/7, but if I'm up & dressed its a very good bet I'm armed. Its not a silly point however to acknowledge that a gun on your person is reasonably going to be easier to get to. I dont look at carrying it as anything special at all. YOU do, but thats you. Are police paranoid? They must be, after all who commits a crime or attacks them? They only bother with a criminal after the fact and they carry off duty, most of them all the time, the experts
. So if its reasonable for them its very reasonable for you. Another thing is its not even remotely inconvenient anymore with modern guns. No more uncomfortable than a cell phone or a wallet. We arent talking about strapping on a six shooter in the old west.
If a person wants a shotgun in the corner for home defense thats fine, if they want a permit so they can go one step further thats even better.
You said you walk around your house with a gun constantly strapped to your hip in case of intuders. That to me seems paranoid. I know plenty of gun owners and I haven't known one to constantly have his gun on him while he does the dishes or takes a dump or gets intimate with significant other ect. lol
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Irrelevant to this topic.
. So if its reasonable for them its very reasonable for you. Another thing is its not even remotely inconvenient anymore with modern guns. No more uncomfortable than a cell phone or a wallet. We arent talking about strapping on a six shooter in the old west.
