10-23-2012, 07:07 PM
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I posted a couple months ago that we are looking at relocating from NJ to CT, but were in the middle of job interviews and didn't have anything concrete to work from. Good news is that we've had an offer and decided to move - though most likely I will move with the kids after the schoolyear is up in June. Now deciding on details and paramount is what school to choose for our children.
Last week we went out with a realtor to look at Westport and Southport and came away thinking that Westport is high up on our list, more so than Southport. Instead of continuing to look at real estate, we've decided to start touring the schools - public and private (our kids are currently in private in NJ so we intend to look at both options and private open houses start now).
Today when I called to schedule some initial visits for later this week, two Westport elementary schools refused to set up any kind of tour, stating that proof of Westport residency is *required* per district policy before they will allow anyone to tour the school. Now, how in the world does that help anyone who is looking at relocating TO Westport? The secretary couldn't answer me that, just stated that this is blanket district policy. Honestly, to be so inflexible for something as simple as a tour, is a major turn-off for this potential Westporter.
The Fairfield public school, on the other hand, was not only much nicer on the phone, but we have a tour planned. It's an unfortunate consequence that we most likely will not be looking at more real estate in Westport if the public schools indeed are so unwelcoming, but then again, perhaps some things are good to know early on!
10-23-2012, 07:36 PM
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I really can't say I'm surprised at all, but sorry you had to deal with that. They probably wonder how anybody could question their schools, which are of course, 'perfect'.
10-23-2012, 08:15 PM
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Sounds like you'd be more comfortable in a less exclusive community. Fairfield is great.
10-23-2012, 08:49 PM
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I posted a couple months ago that we are looking at relocating from NJ to CT, but were in the middle of job interviews and didn't have anything concrete to work from. Good news is that we've had an offer and decided to move - though most likely I will move with the kids after the schoolyear is up in June. Now deciding on details and paramount is what school to choose for our children.
Last week we went out with a realtor to look at Westport and Southport and came away thinking that Westport is high up on our list, more so than Southport. Instead of continuing to look at real estate, we've decided to start touring the schools - public and private (our kids are currently in private in NJ so we intend to look at both options and private open houses start now).
Today when I called to schedule some initial visits for later this week, two Westport elementary schools refused to set up any kind of tour, stating that proof of Westport residency is *required* per district policy before they will allow anyone to tour the school. Now, how in the world does that help anyone who is looking at relocating TO Westport? The secretary couldn't answer me that, just stated that this is blanket district policy. Honestly, to be so inflexible for something as simple as a tour, is a major turn-off for this potential Westporter.
The Fairfield public school, on the other hand, was not only much nicer on the phone, but we have a tour planned. It's an unfortunate consequence that we most likely will not be looking at more real estate in Westport if the public schools indeed are so unwelcoming, but then again, perhaps some things are good to know early on!
I'm sorry you had a negative experience with Westport schools.
While some parents do want to tour potential schools, it seems most trust the national reputation of the school system. The schools are full of kids, so I guess many were able to move here despite the district policy.
My understanding of the policy is that tours were starting to take up a great deal of administrator time and some potential parents went as far as bringing an attorney to the "tour" and interview. Many potential Westport parents insisted on "observing" teachers and classes, which causes disturbance or-- if they are not allowed to do so, causes conflict. Our principals and vice-principals are focused on running their schools and really have no incentive or even reason to be recruiters for our public schools.
There are plenty of resources out there that document the quality of the school system... However, if this experience turned you off, that's a shame. These are excellent schools and graduates of the Westport schools system often become high achievers in business, in the arts and in academia.
Good luck.
10-23-2012, 09:05 PM
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mlassoff: Where are you living these days?
10-24-2012, 04:47 AM
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mlassoff, I appreciate your input as to why the schools are not giving tours. I have no doubt that the school system produces great leaders, and of course the high test scores speak to the academic rigor.
We are not just interested in academics and testing, however, and feel that seeing and visiting someplace in person (a city, a neighborhood, a house, a church, library or school) gives a whole other set of important information that is valuable for my family to make a decision. We've lived in a couple districts so far and in the tours we have done I've seen excellent schools in which the kindergarteners were shouted at with bullhorns, where secretaries ignored kids waiting for assistance, and an overflow classroom took place in a storage room with no windows. All of those things I find provide valuable information to the whole picture and vibe of a school and I don't think I'm being unreasonable in expecting a look-see walk-through before investing a couple million dollars in a community. If only for the eyes-wide-open factor.
As for taking up a lot of administrator time, I don't see why simple tours couldn't be provided by PTA members or a school secretary. Tours ARE provided for residents of Westport who might be looking at in-town moves, so combining tours into groups might make sense. Though the type of parent you described (showing up with their attorney?!) certainly gives me quite a bit of non-academic information about what the other families might be like, and that is quite telling in itself.
Stylo is probably right that Fairfield might be more out speed. Thank you for the replies. I was upset and put-off, but am getting over it.
10-24-2012, 06:10 AM
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I know some school districts don't allow "tours". Many will meet with you, but not always tours, no. Budgets and security are tight, and "PTA" members are not paid for their time, they are volunteers. Many have full-time jobs. I'm a PTO member and I certainly wouldn't do it, I don't have the time. And school personnel are busy and often overworked. Honestly, I think it would be a little distracting to students for strangers, especially groups of them, to be roaming the halls of a school during the day. These are not private schools. But do try Fairfield, maybe they will be more accommodating. Try not to take it personally if schools don't have the time for actual tours, though.
10-24-2012, 06:18 AM
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I know some school districts don't allow "tours". Budgets and security are tight, and "PTA" members are not paid for their time, they are volunteers. Many have full-time jobs. I'm a PTO member and I certainly wouldn't do it, I don't have the time. And school personnel are busy and often overworked. Honestly, I think it would be a little distracting to students for strangers, especially groups of them, to be roaming the halls of a school during the day. These are not private schools. But do try Fairfield, maybe they will be more accommodating. Try not to take it personally if schools don't have the time for actual tours, though.
I agree with this. There really is no need for tours in 2012 when there are websites for the district and each school, which usually outline curriculum, activities and sports as well as detailed information on departments.
Westport is one of the highest performing districts in the USA when it comes to standardized testing. You shouldn't be concerned.
If you appreciate a more down-to-earth vibe, Fairfield is for you.
10-24-2012, 06:48 AM
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mlassoff, I appreciate your input as to why the schools are not giving tours. I have no doubt that the school system produces great leaders, and of course the high test scores speak to the academic rigor.
We are not just interested in academics and testing, however, and feel that seeing and visiting someplace in person (a city, a neighborhood, a house, a church, library or school) gives a whole other set of important information that is valuable for my family to make a decision. We've lived in a couple districts so far and in the tours we have done I've seen excellent schools in which the kindergarteners were shouted at with bullhorns, where secretaries ignored kids waiting for assistance, and an overflow classroom took place in a storage room with no windows. All of those things I find provide valuable information to the whole picture and vibe of a school and I don't think I'm being unreasonable in expecting a look-see walk-through before investing a couple million dollars in a community. If only for the eyes-wide-open factor.
As for taking up a lot of administrator time, I don't see why simple tours couldn't be provided by PTA members or a school secretary. Tours ARE provided for residents of Westport who might be looking at in-town moves, so combining tours into groups might make sense. Though the type of parent you described (showing up with their attorney?!) certainly gives me quite a bit of non-academic information about what the other families might be like, and that is quite telling in itself.
Stylo is probably right that Fairfield might be more out speed. Thank you for the replies. I was upset and put-off, but am getting over it.
I'm not sure a tour would really provide the information you seek-- It seems to me that a tour would provide the best face on any school that you tour. I can assure you I've never heard of kids being shouted at with bullhorns, classes in closets or anything along those lines in Westport. Now of course I am not there-- I am merely an alumni, resident and booster. However, my partner and I are in the process of adopting, and we will be sending our child to school in Westport.
And just a note-- You're not investing a couple million in Westport. You're investing in real estate. If you don't buy a home here, someone else will. It's not that you're not wanted here, or not welcome, but from the town's perspective it's a revenue neutral deal.
10-24-2012, 07:06 AM
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Though the type of parent you described (showing up with their attorney?!) certainly gives me quite a bit of non-academic information about what the other families might be like, and that is quite telling in itself.
I remember years ago in New Canaan when a certain percentage of parents would bring attorneys to parent-teacher conferences.
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Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)