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Old 04-29-2019, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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1.8 blocks too far.

The lot across the street should have been commercial development, utilizing just 25% of land, as a multi story garage. Leave park, or arena, go to thriving restaurant directly across the street. Such is the case with many cities. 4,000 leaving hockey game is good enough to keep restaurant going directly across the street.

This is seen by suburban folks as barren land, one best escape from fast when game ends.

I have no doubt that greatly reduced Bluefish gate, as they were near bottom of the league in attendance many years. Safety matters. Isolation does not create that feeling. 2 blocks is an outlandish distance to the next business. Metro North not building walkway all the way to arena, locking it often, not having guards in it, was incredibly stupid.

BTW, New Britain last year took Bluefish place as worst league attendance, 1,200 game below league average. NB had battled Fish last few years for 7th and 8th place, 8 team league til Fish bowed out. NC team added in 2019 was actually not Bluefish selling franchise. Fish dissolved. ITs a brand new franchise being added.
You arent willing to walk a few hundred feet for a great Italian meal. That is your loss.

Uh... you do realize that the New Britain Bees are a new team and building a following against the Hartford Yardgoats which are playing to sellout crowds at Dunkin Donuts Stadium. Kind of hard to fight that when you are starting from zero.

The Bluefish also had to compete with some of the best teams in the world that happen to be in New York. Again hard to beat. Jay

 
Old 04-29-2019, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Still a minority of the population here, like all over, so we best have opportunity for the plurality of citizens also.

As for mfg, we lost a disproportionate % of ours. Over 120k of 300k left in a decade. Other states kept more via tax breaks. We took a dismissive, arrogant attitude towards grimy manufacturing. Not saying all could be saved, but much could have been saved here.

Instead we focused on a overall lower paying service economy-which cannot sustain families in high COL states. Retail is a plurality of the service sector, btw.
What??? Being atr the very top in education is not good enough?

And please provide backup for your claim that we lost more manufacturing than other states or were hurt more. While we did have significant losses in manufacturing, we had other sectors to make up for that loss. Other states did not. Jay
 
Old 04-30-2019, 02:10 AM
 
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Uh... you do realize that the New Britain Bees are a new team and building a following against the Hartford Yardgoats which are playing to sellout crowds at Dunkin Donuts Stadium. Kind of hard to fight that when you are starting from zero.

The Bluefish also had to compete with some of the best teams in the world that happen to be in New York. Again hard to beat. Jay
That is not why they were 7th and 8th attendance, Jay.

Somerset, also in NY metro, about same distance from NYC, drew its 7 millionth fan last year, its 20th season, meaning they have averaged almost 5,000 fans/game for 20 years
. Close to double what Fish averaged. The league is mainly NJ teams even closer to NYC than Fish, plus NB , with 2 newest farther away , in NC (2019) and Texas (few years ago). Per attached article, Fish were around 3.3 million total attendance through 2013, so finished around 4 million, by the end of 2017, and would have been just under 4.2 million had they played last year as Somerset hit 7 million, same period.. Last in attendance most of the final decade-2.8 million fewer fans than Somerset, which plays 45 miles from Manhattan. . Bluefish Never hit 200,000 in a year after 2004.

Somerset, like Fish, did not have to BEAT NY teams. They co-exist, at extremely different costs to attend. Family of 4, Met or Yankee game will cost several hundred to attend with just average seats. Fish & Patriots, same family, $50 gets 4 great seats, down low! Based on attendance, when you say "Hard to beat", Fish did not figure out how to, but Patriots, 45 miles from midtown Manhattan, did figure out how to.

Over Fish history, half teams crushing it in attendance were equal distance or closer to NYC.

Minor League Baseball, like the Whalers, like Pro Tennis, were simply not successful in Ct. While Yard Goats have a good start, so did the Fish 20 years ago. Success is Somerset and the like, doing it 20 years later still. I hope Yard Goats, unlike all other Ct teams, maintain their initial success.

https://www.ctpost.com/sports/articl...ce-4739634.php

https://ballparkdigest.com/2018/07/2...millionth-fan/

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Old 04-30-2019, 06:56 AM
 
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You arent willing to walk a few hundred feet for a great Italian meal. That is your loss.

Uh... you do realize that the New Britain Bees are a new team and building a following against the Hartford Yardgoats which are playing to sellout crowds at Dunkin Donuts Stadium. Kind of hard to fight that when you are starting from zero.

The Bluefish also had to compete with some of the best teams in the world that happen to be in New York. Again hard to beat. Jay
Its more of a factor that there are now two teams, one of which has a new stadium with all the amenities. So you split the attendance, and guess which one people flock to? Very few people are "following" minor league teams. They go to these games because they are a relatively affordable experience (vis a vis MLB), sit outside and eat some hot dogs and have a few beers. The baseball is almost secondary to the whole thing. And if the Yardgoats provide a better experience with a nice new park, people will go there over NB.
 
Old 04-30-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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This thread is closed for a Moderator's review. JayCT, Moderator
 
Old 04-30-2019, 07:51 AM
 
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The Senior Moderator has determined that a recent poster here was a previously banned troll. I am reopening this thread after those deleting posts. JayCT, Moderator
 
Old 04-30-2019, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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That is not why they were 7th and 8th attendance, Jay.

Somerset, also in NY metro, about same distance from NYC, drew its 7 millionth fan last year, its 20th season, meaning they have averaged almost 5,000 fans/game for 20 years
. Close to double what Fish averaged. The league is mainly NJ teams even closer to NYC than Fish, plus NB , with 2 newest farther away , in NC (2019) and Texas (few years ago). Per attached article, Fish were around 3.3 million total attendance through 2013, so finished around 4 million, by the end of 2017, and would have been just under 4.2 million had they played last year as Somerset hit 7 million, same period.. Last in attendance most of the final decade-2.8 million fewer fans than Somerset, which plays 45 miles from Manhattan. . Bluefish Never hit 200,000 in a year after 2004.

Somerset, like Fish, did not have to BEAT NY teams. They co-exist, at extremely different costs to attend. Family of 4, Met or Yankee game will cost several hundred to attend with just average seats. Fish & Patriots, same family, $50 gets 4 great seats, down low! Based on attendance, when you say "Hard to beat", Fish did not figure out how to, but Patriots, 45 miles from midtown Manhattan, did figure out how to.

Over Fish history, half teams crushing it in attendance were equal distance or closer to NYC.

Minor League Baseball, like the Whalers, like Pro Tennis, were simply not successful in Ct. While Yard Goats have a good start, so did the Fish 20 years ago. Success is Somerset and the like, doing it 20 years later still. I hope Yard Goats, unlike all other Ct teams, maintain their initial success.

https://www.ctpost.com/sports/articl...ce-4739634.php

https://ballparkdigest.com/2018/07/2...millionth-fan/

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The Somerset Patriots are in New Jersey, a state with 2.5 times the population of Connecticut so they have a LOT more people to draw upon.

Connecticut has three minor league baseball teams (Hartford Yardgoats, New Britain Bees, Norwich Tigers) so people from outside Fairfield County had a number of other minor league baseball options to attend instead. I doubt the Bluefish drew many, if any from the 1.4 million people in the Hartford area. That alone is 40 percent of the state's population. Add in New London/Norwich and the rest of eastern Connecticut and you easily have more than half the state not even considering going to Bluefish games because they have other teams closer to go see.

The Whalers actually did well for many of its seasons in Hartford. Many of the problems it had were due to poor decisions made by its owners and managers. One major problem that contributed to lower attendance was that they eliminated the ability of fans to purchase mini-season packages. Fans could only get full season 41-game season passes which were very expensive and turned off a lot of people. Without those fans of course attendance suffered. The really interesting thing about the Whalers is that even 30+ years after they left Hartford, there still is a pretty significant fan based pushing to return them to Hartford. Heck, the Carolina Hurricanes, which the Whalers became after leaving Hartford, even have had games honoring the team and wearing their jerseys. That says a lot. Jay
 
Old 04-30-2019, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Hartford has been named the 8th best place in the country for Millenials to live. This on top of Glassdoor's recent ranking of Hartford as No. 1 for finding a job. New Haven- Milford was named by the National Association of Realtors as the No. 1 place for Millennials to move to. This means two of Connecticut's largest cities (Hartford and New Haven) are considered to be very good places to live, going against the naysaying you see so often on this forum. Jay

Study: Hartford 8th best place for Millennials | HartfordBusiness.com

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...graphic-trends
 
Old 04-30-2019, 10:12 AM
 
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Hartford has been named the 8th best place in the country for Millenials to live. This on top of Glassdoor's recent ranking of Hartford as No. 1 for finding a job. New Haven- Milford was named by the National Association of Realtors as the No. 1 place for Millennials to move to. This means two of Connecticut's largest cities (Hartford and New Haven) are considered to be very good places to live, going against the naysaying you see so often on this forum. Jay

Study: Hartford 8th best place for Millennials | HartfordBusiness.com

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...graphic-trends
Good news for Hartford. It really is an affordable gem for the right person.
 
Old 05-01-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Connecticut's Rainy Day Fund is now projected to grow to $2.65 billion! This is great news BUT as this article points out, it is also a bad thing since our politicians are likely going to spend it or feel that there is less urgency to reign in spending. Jay

Growing CT revenues: Too much of a good thing? | HartfordBusiness.com
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