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Old 04-28-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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To be fair, the headline seems misleading.

It said they've had 'reports' of it happening.. that doesn't imply a major problem. Specific people asked said they had never seen it happen. Turnstile-jumping was a huge problem for decades in NYC before they beefed up enforcement. That didn't delegitimize having a subway system. Anyway I'm sure they're looking at the issue.

Just another way for people who are against the project to try to chalk one up for their side... and kind of a cheap shot at that.
Actually, the article states that riders have not seen fare inspectors checking to make sure people have paid.

"There are supposed to be fare inspectors riding the bus, but Morayma Martinez, who rides the bus five days a week from New Britain to Hartford says she has never had anyone check to see if she paid.

News 8 asked passenger Richard Roland how often he rides the bus.

“Since it started, almost every day,” he responded. Has he ever seen anyone checking fares? “I have not.”

“[I ride the bus] every morning and every afternoon,” Martinez. Has she ever seen anybody checking fares? “No,” she said. "


I suppose not checking fares is one way to increase ridership numbers.
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Old 04-28-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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Actually, the article states that riders have not seen fare inspectors checking to make sure people have paid.
To state the obvious.. no one checking fares is different than a significant problem with people not actually paying.
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Old 04-28-2015, 08:02 PM
 
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I see the fine in Hartford is $75 so not worth it IMO to try and play with free rides.

Looks like the state isn't even technically fining people...Yet.. : CT Fastrak riders face fines for skipping fares | WTNH
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Old 04-28-2015, 08:21 PM
 
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CT Fastrak riders freeloading, not paying for tickets | WTNH

I guess those operating subsidies are going to increase.

Seriously, there is no mechanism to ensure that people have paid the $1.50 fare before they board the bus?
Up until about a month ago CT Transit had "fare checker" jobs advertised on their web site. They no longer advertise these positions so I would assume they've all been filled.

Part of the Fast track system is to not have people paying fares while boarding the bus. Thus, speeding up the process. You have to buy tickets on the platforms instead which is much like subway and train systems. Even if people had to insert a prepaid ticket before sitting down on the bus, that would create a log jam and cause delays. Contrary to metro north and LIRR, it looks like CT transit is engaging in "random" fare checks instead of checking every ticket.
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:53 PM
 
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CT Fastrak riders freeloading, not paying for tickets | WTNH

I guess those operating subsidies are going to increase.

Seriously, there is no mechanism to ensure that people have paid the $1.50 fare before they board the bus?
Seriously have you ever taken the bus? The mechanism to ensure that people paid is the bus driver and the fare box right in front of him. As soon as you get on the bus, the fare box is right there and in front of the driver. The driver won't let you on without paying. I've never encountered a driver that allowed people on the bus for free. There is only one way on the bus. If you don't pay, they don't let you on. And you can still pay on the bus. I did that just the other day. Either that or buy a ticket from the kiosk and then put the ticket in the machine(in front of the driver) when you get on. It's seriously not that hard a concept.
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Old 04-29-2015, 01:36 AM
 
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Seriously have you ever taken the bus? The mechanism to ensure that people paid is the bus driver and the fare box right in front of him. As soon as you get on the bus, the fare box is right there and in front of the driver. The driver won't let you on without paying. I've never encountered a driver that allowed people on the bus for free. There is only one way on the bus. If you don't pay, they don't let you on. And you can still pay on the bus. I did that just the other day. Either that or buy a ticket from the kiosk and then put the ticket in the machine(in front of the driver) when you get on. It's seriously not that hard a concept.
You're talking about a traditional bus. Are you suggesting that they collect the fares and/or check tickets and board through one door by the driver like a traditional bus? You cannot load a long, high capacity 'bendy' bus that way. These buses hold 75 people and are 65 feet long. They need to use multiple doors to board and exit along their length. Even traditional buses have bottlenecks boarding like this, never mind a high capacity bus.
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:18 AM
 
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You're talking about a traditional bus. Are you suggesting that they collect the fares and/or check tickets and board through one door by the driver like a traditional bus? You cannot load a long, high capacity 'bendy' bus that way. These buses hold 75 people and are 65 feet long. They need to use multiple doors to board and exit along their length. Even traditional buses have bottlenecks boarding like this, never mind a high capacity bus.
And by freeing up the driver to concentrate just on driving rather than dealing with passengers, it makes the system work more efficiently. I think we really need to give the service a break before we begin criticizing it. They just started the service a couple of weeks ago and just started collecting fares a week ago. The media needs to dial it back. They are trying to create a story where there is none, yet. Jay
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Old 05-07-2015, 06:48 AM
 
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Seems the busway is doing better than expected. CTFastrak surpasses ridership expectations just 5 weeks in | FOX CT
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Old 05-07-2015, 08:31 AM
 
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Seems the busway is doing better than expected. CTFastrak surpasses ridership expectations just 5 weeks in | FOX CT
Good news. Lets hope it continues. Jay
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Old 05-07-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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You're talking about a traditional bus. Are you suggesting that they collect the fares and/or check tickets and board through one door by the driver like a traditional bus? You cannot load a long, high capacity 'bendy' bus that way. These buses hold 75 people and are 65 feet long. They need to use multiple doors to board and exit along their length. Even traditional buses have bottlenecks boarding like this, never mind a high capacity bus.
NJ Transit buses are of similar size - using Wiki they are up to 60 feet long and yes some are the segmented buses with flexible middle portion. Buses will disembark passengers from front and middle doors but you must board from the front end. To speed up the boarding process the Port Authority terminal in NYC requires the purchase of a ticket before boarding.

I agree with other posters that it seems like a waste of money to hire additional employees to monitor for tickets. NJ transit only does that on the Light Rail because the engineer is sealed away at the front of the trainset.

It is great news that the busway is beating expectations!
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