02-10-2015, 02:02 PM
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True, but the steep pitch prevents snow build up and mitigates the possibility of water intrusion. I've never had an issue with water intrusion on my steep pitched sections even when they have ice dams. Its the gentle pitched sections that give me problems.
I think my house has the worst possible pitch of roof. It's not steep enough to shed snow, but too steep to even think about climbing on in the winter.
02-10-2015, 09:40 PM
Location: Texas
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Ironically, the previous owner of my house gave me some heating elements that you place at the edge of the roof to help prevent ice dams. I never had them installed. I wonder if they actually work though since I've never seen a house with them.
They work to get water off the roof. But you might need a heater wire in the gutter to keep the water flowing from there.
02-11-2015, 11:10 AM
Location: Connecticut
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They work to get water off the roof. But you might need a heater wire in the gutter to keep the water flowing from there.
That's good to know. Since my gutters have a top covering it's not possible to put ice melt socks in there. Altho a thin wire might work.
All the stores in central CT seem to be out of stock on roof rakes. I might have to buy one from amazon.
02-11-2015, 12:02 PM
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That's good to know. Since my gutters have a top covering it's not possible to put ice melt socks in there. Altho a thin wire might work.
You don't put the sock in the gutter, you lay it perpendicularly across the ice dam. It melts a notch out of the dam that lets water flow out from behind the dam. That way, it's not ponded on your roof trying to drip down into your house.
By the time you have ice dams formed, raking the roof is not going to get rid of them- they're frozen on but good. At best, raking the roof will relieve some of the pressure on melted water that will tend to force it up and under roof tiles.
02-11-2015, 12:13 PM
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For those of you just tossing the socks up there, how do you them down come spring (on a tall house)
02-11-2015, 12:19 PM
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For those of you just tossing the socks up there, how do you them down come spring (on a tall house)
Tie a long piece of string on the end.
02-11-2015, 12:38 PM
Location: Connecticut
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Living in a Dutch Colonial style townhouse the ice dams are horrible every year. The attics are barely insulated because the builder was cutting corners where ever he could. It is blown in and about 10 inches thick. The sides of the roof in the front and the back are cold all winter so the water running off freezes the instant it touches the sides. The gutters were all recently replaced with heavy duty commercial gutters and the ice had already destroyed most of them. We have leaks galore in the winter in many units and it had driven the cost of our insurance WAY up.
02-11-2015, 12:43 PM
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Tie a long piece of string on the end.
I've never had a problem with them coming down- they wash off or blow off. Keeping them up can be more of a problem, because they tend to slip off the ice, to be lost in the deep snow until spring.
But a string would certainly work.
02-11-2015, 01:47 PM
Location: Connecticut
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How much insulation should be in an attic? I am having a home energy audit finally done this Friday. I am curious to see what they say about it.
I found this link to be fairly informative regarding attic insulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcRPGQoeO9Q
From this old house. In the video I think they say insulation with a R-38 rating.
My attic is the same design without insulation on the peaks. (where they later fill in with spray foam) I do have pink style insulation on the floor though.
Ice melt socks on a roof.
02-11-2015, 04:07 PM
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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I found this link to be fairly informative regarding attic insulation.
I have to interject...
1. His markup of the roof. That's not totally accurate, the ice damns are near the gutter so he should of shown the gutter aspect of it how the water will go underneath the shingles but on the corner, not up high on the roof. There's a lip from the edge of the roof into the gutter, the water and ice go under that lip.
2. Make attic same temperature as the outside??
So make it 0 to 30 degrees in the winter?
Your heating bill downstairs will be a bit more unless you got some "NEW" and "GOOD" insulation on the attic floors. (after many years they aren't effective anyway)
3. Keep ventilation in the attic so the roof stays cold and snow wont melt. See #5 and you better have some good attic floor insulation because cold air doesn't rise and your recessed lights downstairs will be like cold pockets in your ceiling!
4. Make the attic warmer by using the spray foam. PLEASE do not have pets in the house if you're going to do that! That crap is toxic! AND... will suffocate the house in the summer! Horrible stuff.
5. Does he realize the melting comes from the outside as well??
Sunlight, Temps above freezing, rain, roof melters, ect. You're still going to get melting and refreezing no matter what you do inside.
I have no insulation in the rafters and I block all vents in winter. So the main level can stay warm easier in the winter and in the summer the house breathes!
Take the snow off the roof is the best method.
Once the snow is off, its a win win win...
W. You have a dry roof showing and its helping to warm the house up because the sun hits it directly!
W. No more weight up there
W. Nothing up there left to melt
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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So make it 0 to 30 degrees in the winter? 
Your heating bill downstairs will be a bit more unless you got some "NEW" and "GOOD" insulation on the attic floors. (after many years they aren't effective anyway)
