[mlassoff]

Originally Posted by RonaldusMagnus

Amazing how politicians and sheeple look at what happened in Orlando and actually think a piece of legislation on guns is the answer. To believe that shows a complete lack of understanding of the WILL of the individual who did this or the individuals that plot these things. Cognitive dissonance.

Bleh. A lame excuse (and a distraction) to do nothing.

We need a ban on military style weapons. Period. As Reagan said there is no conceivable reason for someone to own these types of weapons. We've seen again and again the damage they do.

20 dead kids here. 50 dead people there. Enough is enough.

Yes, some will break the law. It's not a justification for not having common sense law.

Keeping guns out of the hands of potential terrorists, domestic abusers, etc is common sense. If you don't support at least this, I think you'll quickly be relegated to the fringe.

As we see these massacres we can't continue to ignore them because of what "what big government might do" or worse yet fear of government "tyranny." We live in 2016, not 1816.

[Mike 75]

Originally Posted by RonaldusMagnus

Amazing how politicians and sheeple look at what happened in Orlando and actually think a piece of legislation on guns is the answer. To believe that shows a complete lack of understanding of the WILL of the individual who did this or the individuals that plot these things. Cognitive dissonance.

Let me ask you this - should felons be banned from purchasing and owning guns? Because preventing them from buying legally won't prevent them from buying illegally - they're convicted criminals after all.

[HumpDay]

Originally Posted by RonaldusMagnus

Amazing how politicians and sheeple look at what happened in Orlando and actually think a piece of legislation on guns is the answer. To believe that shows a complete lack of understanding of the WILL of the individual who did this or the individuals that plot these things. Cognitive dissonance.

In a interview the Governor of Florida says the issue is Islamic terrorism which isn't really the case when it comes to mass shootings. Only 2 mass shootings within the past year out of over 300 in total were because of Islamic terrorism. A majority of the shooters are white and gang members. Yet the Governor doesn't want to talk about guns because he's with the gun lobby. I don't expect Governor Scott to do anything. All he does it dodge questions from the press about gun control and regulations.

[wtby4000]

Originally Posted by Mike 75

Let me ask you this - should felons be banned from purchasing and owning guns? Because preventing them from buying legally won't prevent them from buying illegally - they're convicted criminals after all.

Right. Don't outlaw homicide, because if there's no legal homicide, the criminals will just resort to illegal homicide.

Anyway, this is a moot conversation. If 20 dead kindergartners won't spur the hijacked Senate to do anything, why would it be any different with 49 dead gays?

Still, I applaud Chris Murphy for the efforts. When the history of modern US fascism is written 100 years from now, he will be mentioned as one of the good guys who showed some resistance (albeit unsuccessfully).

[Sigequinox]

Originally Posted by wtby4000

You really are quite adept at portraying yourself to be an abject fool.

You sound like a real articulate fella. so rich in substance, experience and sound logic are your arguments that I have no choice but to concede. Your baseless and un informative attack is just so convincing.

[Raider111]

Here we go again! like clockwork.
Someone has to throw a "Chris Murphy" in there to try and make it on topic for CT

[papafox]

Originally Posted by Mike 75

Let me ask you this - should felons be banned from purchasing and owning guns? Because preventing them from buying legally won't prevent them from buying illegally - they're convicted criminals after all.

That's a completely different scenario.


Someone already CONVICTED of a felony, has had due process through our court system as stated in the 5th amendment.


Without due process, how is it possibly going to be considered constitutional for someone to be denied their 2nd amendment rights, while ALSO being deprived of their 5th amendment rights.


I'm astounded (and quite frankly frightened) by how much ignorance there is about something so serious. Such a basic ignorance of our legal system by so many

[RonaldusMagnus]

Originally Posted by wtby4000

Nobody said this will be a cure-all for gun violence. But to argue that people who are not allowed to fly should be allowed to have guns is a symptom of DSM-5-level insanity.

It is not a cure-all, or a cure-anything. What is insane is believing some unelected government body can put you on a list with no due process and strip you of any rights they want. This is all misdirection. A terrorist will get his tool. Legally or illegally. The whole "don't make it easy" argument is silly. On these same boards we discuss the heroin problem in high schools. Now tell me, are there laws against buying/selling heroin? Is it easy for a kid with the will to want it to get it? Now multiply that will by a million for a terrorist willing to die for his cause and you really think it is going to be difficult to get whatever tool necessary? THAT is DSM-5-level insanity; stripping law abiding people of their rights thinking your deterring terrorism.

Pop quiz, which vilified group put out the following common sense statement?

Terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing. If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist,”

[RonaldusMagnus]

Originally Posted by Mike 75

Let me ask you this - should felons be banned from purchasing and owning guns? Because preventing them from buying legally won't prevent them from buying illegally - they're convicted criminals after all.

Ahh, the straw man cometh. Felons are already banned.

[RonaldusMagnus]

Originally Posted by wtby4000

Right. Don't outlaw homicide, because if there's no legal homicide, the criminals will just resort to illegal homicide.

Anyway, this is a moot conversation. If 20 dead kindergartners won't spur the hijacked Senate to do anything, why would it be any different with 49 dead gays?

Still, I applaud Chris Murphy for the efforts. When the history of modern US fascism is written 100 years from now, he will be mentioned as one of the good guys who showed some resistance (albeit unsuccessfully).

Fascism would be stripping law abiding citizens of their right to due process by having some unelected agency put their name on a list.