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Old 04-10-2018, 01:06 PM
 
Location: On the Stones of Years
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I've worked in Hartford for over 40 years . I know all the areas very well. If the aspiring Trinity College student stays on Campus , and leaves by car with at least a male or two with her, they shouldn't have a problem. Walking the neighborhood during the day and especially at night should be avoided, even with escorts.
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Old 04-10-2018, 05:52 PM
 
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Honestly, it’s a big change from Maine and I’d avoid it. Never leave campus? No thanks.
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:44 AM
 
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This is such rubbish! First of all, the scout data are all locked up. Second, crime rates in urban neighborhoods with high poverty will be relatively high. Are they not just as high in Fields Corner and Ashmont in Dorchester, where plenty of people with substantial assets are more than willing to invest and live? The South End of Boston is a classic case of poor and rich side by side-- Have those conditions driven away the rich or in any way discouraged discriminating people from redeeming its beautiful bowfront brick houses? No they have not. Trinity College has been thriving in Hartford for decades. If they had anything like the problem you describe Trinity would be a "failed college" (to paraphrase your favorite epithet). The OP can be sure that Trinity students are not routinely assaulted in the streets of Hartford. Third, Hartford city is absolutely central to the Hartford metro area. The suburbs revolve around Hartford and its jobs and political and cultural institutions just as suburbs do in any metro area in the US whether or not the suburbs are substantially incorporated into the city (as in Indianapolis and Jacksonville) or not at all, as in Hartford. None of these towns would be big suburbs if not for the central city they revolve around. It's a small city but a relatively big, interconnected metropolitan economy.
The South End is a lot nicer than Frog Hollow. Not sure its an apt comparison. And while Frog Hollow isn't the worst neighborhood in the city, its not great. I'm sure it hurts Trinity in its application and admissions stats - there are plenty of urban schools in much better areas. That said, the people I've known who went there have had minimal issues - mostly property crime, although there are muggings and other more violent crime from time to time. There was also this incident last year, which was not good: Trinity Students Assaulted By Teens At Fraternity Spring Formal - Hartford Courant

One other observation - Hartford has been in decline for 30+ years, and during that time the suburbs surrounding Hartford have thrived. Just sayin.
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:38 PM
 
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The issue with the are surrounding Trinity is a lot worse than discarded mattresses on the streets. It's a high crime area. She'd have to stay on campus, and even on campus, she would have to be alert to who is around her at all hours.

The problem with kids who come from low-crime suburbs is that they have zero street smarts. Kids who grew up in high crime areas know how to make sure not to come within a block of the demographic that is responsible for most of the crime in the area. They know how to be alert of who is within a couple of blocks of themselves, and how to place themselves out of harm's way. Innocents from rural or suburban areas have no training in this, and are easy prey for the local criminals.

I would not have let my daughter go to Trinity. I grew up in NYC during the 70s, when crime was horrible there. I went to college at an Ivy located in an urban slum area. I consider myself very, very lucky that I wasn't held up at gunpoint or raped, but only had my apartment broken into and ransacked, and was groped on the street. One time I went up to an older man in a suit with a briefcase, to ask him to walk me to my apt, because I was being followed by a group of young men. There is no way that my kids, who were raised in a quiet safe suburb, have the street smarts to go to college in a slum area. There is nothing anyone can say that will mitigate the truth - Trinity is located in a horribly dangerous slum area, where the resident criminal element sees the student population as easy pickings.

She would have to not set foot off campus. She would have to get campus security to escort her from dorm to library and back at night. She would have to be constantly vigilant. And even then, that doesn't mean that someone else doesn't let in the criminal element from the surrounding neighborhood, or that they don't bypass security to gain access to the campus. There is a constant tension between keeping the campus safe, and maintaining good relationships with the surrounding community by NOT excluding them from campus.

I raised essentially free range kids. My kids had more independence and freedom of movement than any other kids in the neighborhood, and at a much earlier age. I sent my children to study abroad as early as ELEMENTARY school! I am NOT an overprotective parent. And there is no way that I would have sent my kid to Trinity, because of the neighborhood in which it is located.
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:57 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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My daughter is choosing between Trinity and Conn College, but Trinity is the one where she felt "this is the place I want to go."

The stats I've seen are that Trinity has the highest crime rate of the CT colleges/universities. The campus was lovely though. The tour guide informed us she never felt unsafe, and there is security on campus, like most schools.

I imagine that, like anywhere, the students should always be aware of their surroundings and walk with others at night.

Any input on whether she should reconsider her top choice? She'd be coming from a small suburb of Portland, ME, so Hartford would be a bit different. Thanks!
My daughter looked at both of the colleges that you mentioned. She applied to 12 colleges altogether. Many were not in sanitary, upper middle class areas. I honestly think she was attracted to gritty areas.

We thought that Mount Holyoke was a beautiful college, in a safe area, and with the Five College Consortium, she could take classes with men, as well as women.

Trinity was on her short list, but she chose Clark University in Worcester MA. It's really a wonderful university, in a very, bad area.

However, she loves it.

Universities in sketchy areas really do ensure the safety of their students, and make every effort to dialogue with parents about these measures, which include escorts, alarms, campus police and other measures.

If your daughter has her heart set on Trinity, I would not do anything but encourage her to attend this excellent university.

That's my opinion.

I found this reassuring http://www.trincoll.edu/cs/Pages/default.aspx

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Old 04-12-2018, 11:03 AM
 
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I just looked at that link, and found it not at all reassuring. If I had a son who was likely to be racially profiled, I would find it reassuring. There's a very politically correct mission statement, making it appear that campus safety makes an equivalence between the staff and students of the college, and the residents of the surrounding neighborhood.
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Old 04-12-2018, 12:28 PM
 
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I just looked at that link, and found it not at all reassuring. If I had a son who was likely to be racially profiled, I would find it reassuring. There's a very politically correct mission statement, making it appear that campus safety makes an equivalence between the staff and students of the college, and the residents of the surrounding neighborhood.
I'm trying to imagine the skill level of a campus rent-a-cop in a high cost place like Hartford.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:12 AM
 
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most of what people say is true abut the area. and there is still mattresses and garbage on many streets

i was just there several weeks ago and the surrounding area is filled with dread. this is in the daytime as well.

you know this feeling if you've ever felt it before. it's an un settling aura that you want get get away from fast, or you know something bad will likely happen.

it's not if something bad is going to happen to students because of it, it's when. there's also the possibility of the campus being overrun and attacked because of the location

how can explain this better. never leave the campus.

picture it this way. remember the movie escape from new york. you know there they turned manhattan island into a prison and every where else was free. well,..trinity u is the free part completely surrounded by a prison like element....and that element has easy access of anyone getting in.

like i said,...i fully expect something really bad happening involving one or many more students in the future because of it. there's really no way to avoid it

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Old 08-11-2019, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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Wow, lots to think about based on these replies. It's interesting that the school gets over $70k a year and is fairly selective in accepting students.
My 20-year old son lives in Hartford after growing up in a rural town. It has been a great experience for hm. He has learned a great deal and has developed an interest in many different foods and cultures as a result of the experience. He lives in the St. Francis area and says you need to be aware and respectful of your surroundings. You can travel to many different areas of Hartford but need to be smart and take into account the time of day, walking routes, and your own personal behavior. At night it is a good idea to travel in groups, use an Uber, and avoid certain areas.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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I honestly can't believe some of the responses here. Trinity college is the second oldest college in CT dating back to 1823. I personally know many graduates of this exceptional college founded as an alternative to Yale. The college has made considerable investments over the years, has a long list of notable alumni, and is a highly respected liberal arts college.
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