[Lalalally]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

So you’re going to gun someone down for breaking into your car? Enjoy your lengthy stay in the crowbar hotel.

No need to be so facetious— it’s happened already once, in Ridgefield last summer. When you have neighborhoods night after night after night being hit by the same ring of thieves you get a bunch of pissed off residents. When you get to this new level of thieves starting to steal cars with your children still in them, then yup. 1000%. Society unraveling at the seams, perhaps, but yup

[hvexpatinct]

Originally Posted by Lalalally

I’m kind of quite glad right about now that CT still allows concealed carry, and that I have mine..
**** is going to start getting ugly if we allow this to keep up. Forcing good people to swirl around the bottom depths of the “progressive” bowl with the bad ones, will never end right. Start locking these eff...ers up again. And for a long time. And I don’t care if they’re “just” juveniles...

As long as it's not in your glove box...

One of the recent thefts was from a gas station I frequent. My car is older so I don't have a fob, but I often have my young child with me at that station and it's one of the last places I would worry about someone jacking my car -- small station, difficult to exit/enter, with few bays and routine police presence - whoever did this goes beyond bold to psychopathic.

[Lalalally]

Originally Posted by hvexpatinct

As long as it's not in your glove box...

One of the recent thefts was from a gas station I frequent. My car is older so I don't have a fob, but I often have my young child with me at that station and it's one of the last places I would worry about someone jacking my car -- small station, difficult to exit/enter, with few bays and routine police presence - whoever did this goes beyond bold to psychopathic.

Yes exactly not in the glove box... to be perfectly honest, while I have my cc permit, I never did once carry — yet that is, but this sort of thing makes me think.
My husband, when he does carry, which is not often, it is holstered on him (which is not my style — it doesn’t go with my sense of fashion)

It’s so frightening

[SAE72]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

My car has keyless entry/pushbutton start. Good luck stealing my car when the key fob is always in my pocket.

It can be done by educated thieves with the right equipment. Maybe not the kind we are seeing in these reports, but it is happening.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by SAE72

It can be done by educated thieves with the right equipment. Maybe not the kind we are seeing in these reports, but it is happening.

Yeah, if the "right equipment" is a flatbed truck. You can't reprogram my car to a new pushbutton start key fob with a cheap portable ODB II tool. You can add one without any tools but you need one of the factory fobs to do it.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by SAE72

It can be done by educated thieves with the right equipment. Maybe not the kind we are seeing in these reports, but it is happening.

This is not at all common and wouldn’t require way too much money to do.

[SAE72]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

This is not at all common and wouldn’t require way too much money to do.

Less money than you think. ATM’s were once thought to be safe. It is knowledge and skill , not so much about $$$. Electronic signals traveling through the air are always more subject to hacking then hard wire.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by SAE72

Less money than you think. ATM’s were once thought to be safe. It is knowledge and skill , not so much about $$$. Electronic signals traveling through the air are always more subject to hacking then hard wire.

...except the people stealing vehicles won’t spend a dime on something like that. Additionally, it’s not happening in CT, so mostly moot.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by SAE72

Less money than you think. ATM’s were once thought to be safe. It is knowledge and skill , not so much about $$$. Electronic signals traveling through the air are always more subject to hacking then hard wire.

Pushbutton start in my car uses private key encryption to authenticate the fob. Good luck with that. If you don't know the security key from the fob that is programmed into the car, you're not starting the car. Reprogramming the car for a new fob also requires that you know the keying information for the car linked to the VIN so only a dealership with access to the database can do it. Some kid on the street with a cheap battery operated ODB II port tool can't do it.



ATM cards are cloned with magnetic card readers. Once you have the information on the magnetic strip of the card, you can do whatever you want.



If you're talking remote door locks then yeah, those are easy to clone but that gets you into the car. It doesn't start the car. In 2018, it's really hard to steal a car without tools and data that only the dealers have. A dealer tech can do it in 10 minutes which is why cars are stolen on flatbed trucks.

[GoHuskies]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Pushbutton start in my car uses private key encryption to authenticate the fob. Good luck with that. If you don't know the security key from the fob that is programmed into the car, you're not starting the car. Reprogramming the car for a new fob also requires that you know the keying information for the car linked to the VIN so only a dealership with access to the database can do it. Some kid on the street with a cheap battery operated ODB II port tool can't do it.

ATM cards are cloned with magnetic card readers. Once you have the information on the magnetic strip of the card, you can do whatever you want.

If you're talking remote door locks then yeah, those are easy to clone but that gets you into the car. It doesn't start the car. In 2018, it's really hard to steal a car without tools and data that only the dealers have. A dealer tech can do it in 10 minutes which is why cars are stolen on flatbed trucks.

The encrypted key isn't going to protect against determined thieves with the right tools. Signal relay devices can "trick" the car into sensing the key alongside and it will open right up or start-up. Unless the fob physically has to be in a slot then the thieves have instant access to personal items, ripping out parts, or driving it off into a shipping container destined for some European port. If your car is anything like my Mercedes then designers don't want a missing key error to shut down the engine while driving so thieves will be able to sprint away with it until they next turn it off.