[East of the River]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

You might want to rethink that. It doesn’t have anything to do with square mileage and everything to do with percent of taxable property. Here, you can see that Jacksonville has 30% non taxable property. The city is not nearly in the financial disarray as Hartford.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gov...ise.html%3fAMP



That’s great there’s new blood - but they’re essentially picking up the pieces of years of exactly what I’m accusing - financial mismanagement. The current politicians want to hold those in the suburbs accountable for what their elected officials ignored year after year and administration after administration. It’s like a roommate holding a 50k American Express bill with mounting interest after years of ignoring it, and expecting other household members to pay for it, because hey, it takes a community! Again, it’s a microcosm of what the state has done.



Hey, at least you can admit fatal mistakes were made in hindsight, I guess. But start holding people accountable for gross mismanagement and stop making excuses for their failures.

If you look st finances across the country yes size does matter one of the ways Jacksonville became solvent was annexing other towns.

[East of the River]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Why should the fiscally responsible suburbs be held liable for fixing the corrupt cities?

Well it's not just corruption. We place all the stuff we don't want in the suburbs in our cities. Trash transfer, section 8 housing, Food pantries, Shelters. CT has been effectively killing it's own cities for decades.

But that's not really the point. If we want to grow and stay competitive, it needs younger workers and places to house them. While it's not an enormous shift there really is a trend to more urban areas. CT options to retain and attract the workers (other then jobs) are either allow more development in the suburbs (bigger more urban downtown's with more density) or fix it's cities.

[WouldLoveTo]

Originally Posted by East of the River

Well it's not just corruption. We place all the stuff we don't want in the suburbs in our cities. Trash transfer, section 8 housing, Food pantries, Shelters. CT has been effectively killing it's own cities for decades.

Section 8 is everywhere. There are just a higher percentage of people using it in the bigger cities, which have more people in general.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by East of the River

If you look st finances across the country yes size does matter one of the ways Jacksonville became solvent was annexing other towns.

I’m not sure if you read correctly. Jacksonville has the same percentage of non taxable property as Hartford. Percentage bring the key word, here.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by East of the River

Well it's not just corruption. We place all the stuff we don't want in the suburbs in our cities. Trash transfer, section 8 housing, Food pantries, Shelters. CT has been effectively killing it's own cities for decades.

But that's not really the point. If we want to grow and stay competitive, it needs younger workers and places to house them. While it's not an enormous shift there really is a trend to more urban areas. CT options to retain and attract the workers (other then jobs) are either allow more development in the suburbs (bigger more urban downtown's with more density) or fix it's cities.

Uh, why would we put food pantry’s and shelters on Avon when the Vast majority of people benefiting from it would be Hartford residents? And there is trash transfer in almost every community.

[WouldLoveTo]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Uh, why would we put food pantry’s and shelters on Avon when the Vast majority of people benefiting from it would be Hartford residents? And there is trash transfer in almost every community.

Funny you should say that - this site lists 4 food pantries for Avnon!

https://www.foodpantries.org/ci/ct-avon

(list of other towns with quantity are on the right)

[Lincolnian]

Changes are taking place. Some younger people, as well as many single adults and empty nesters are choosing to move to more affordable communities with access to the conveniences that fits their lifestyle. In many cases new restaurants, redevelopment and revitalization is occurring to meet the needs and wants of the people moving to those areas. There is a lot of private development taking place in Hartford. They see the opportunities and work to make the changes where they can taking steps in the right direction.

Places like Westport are not on the radar of most people looking for affordable housing. There are many communities in Connecticut where the family highlighted in the referenced article with a limited income would find better housing, schooling and employment opportunities outside of Fairfield County. If Westport has a crisis of finding low and moderate-income workers because they are no longer willing to commute in then they will have to raise wages or offer more affordable housing options.

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

I’m not sure if you read correctly. Jacksonville has the same percentage of non taxable property as Hartford. Percentage bring the key word, here.

Hartford’s non taxable property percentage is 49.9%. According to the article you posted Jacksonville’s is under 29%. That is more in line with Bridgeport and New Haven but there is a difference. Duval County which is where Jacksonville is located, was merged into Jacksonville back in 1968 so the City of Jacksonville controls the entire county. They have a combined budget of $2.6 billion. Because the city and county are combined, the amount of non taxable property within the city itself has a lesser impact on the city’s finances. Jay

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/H...xempt_property

http://www.coj.net/departments/finan...udget-(1).aspx

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by WouldLoveTo

Funny you should say that - this site lists 4 food pantries for Avnon!

https://www.foodpantries.org/ci/ct-avon

(list of other towns with quantity are on the right)

Two of those listings are mobile pantries that operate for a couple hours every week or two. The town one is also only open a couple hours a week. The Gifts of Love pantry serves the entire Farmington River Valley so it also serves Simsbury and Canton. It just happens to be in Avon because it is centrally located. Jay

[Stylo]

Originally Posted by Lincolnian

Changes are taking place. Some younger people, as well as many single adults and empty nesters are choosing to move to more affordable communities with access to the conveniences that fits their lifestyle. In many cases new restaurants, redevelopment and revitalization is occurring to meet the needs and wants of the people moving to those areas. There is a lot of private development taking place in Hartford. They see the opportunities and work to make the changes where they can taking steps in the right direction.

Places like Westport are not on the radar of most people looking for affordable housing. There are many communities in Connecticut where the family highlighted in the referenced article with a limited income would find better housing, schooling and employment opportunities outside of Fairfield County. If Westport has a crisis of finding low and moderate-income workers because they are no longer willing to commute in then they will have to raise wages or offer more affordable housing options.

Westport is still very expensive but I’m blown away by how much Weston has dropped. I get buyers are shying away from rural-ish towns, but wow. I wonder if it has hit bottom yet?