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Old 01-15-2020, 10:29 AM
 
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It's 65 miles or a 2 hour commuter rail ride to midtown Manhattan. Yep.
So if you are saying places that are 65 miles from NYC are still considered NYC metro, then would that apply to LI for places as the same distance as well? I don't necessarily consider places in Suffolk county part of NYC metro. Example Holtsville is approx 50 miles from NYC … would Holtsville be considered part of the NYC metro? I'm not sure that it is.


Where is the dividing line for Long Island then?
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Old 01-15-2020, 10:30 AM
 
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So if you are saying places that are 65 miles from NYC are still considered NYC metro, then would that apply to LI for places as the same distance as well? I don't necessarily consider places in Suffolk county part of NYC metro. Example Holtsville is approx 50 miles from NYC … would Holtsville be considered part of the NYC metro? I'm not sure that it is.


Where is the dividing line for Long Island then?
The entire island is NYC metro.

People, this stuff can’t be refuted. Google it.
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Old 01-15-2020, 10:32 AM
 
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The entire island is NYC metro.

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I guess you're right but it doesn't seem that way. It goes up to Ulster county apparently.
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Old 01-15-2020, 11:42 AM
 
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The entire island is NYC metro.

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True. And the fact is that all of Fairfield County is it's own MSA. Meaning it is not in the NYC metropolitan area. It is is the looser Combined, and more in the Megapolis Mega region... Would anyone say that Detroit is part of the Chicago metro area?
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Old 01-15-2020, 12:05 PM
 
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True. And the fact is that all of Fairfield County is it's own MSA. Meaning it is not in the NYC metropolitan area. It is is the looser Combined, and more in the Megapolis Mega region... Would anyone say that Detroit is part of the Chicago metro area?
The “NYC metro” is different than the NYC “MSA”. Greater metropolitan areas include adjacent CSA, which have overlapping media markets and a certain percentage of commuters.

Poor comparison re: Detroit. It and Chicago are almost 300 miles apart. Fairfield County begins 14 miles from NYC limits.
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Old 01-15-2020, 03:03 PM
 
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The “NYC metro” is different than the NYC “MSA”. Greater metropolitan areas include adjacent CSA, which have overlapping media markets and a certain percentage of commuters.

Poor comparison re: Detroit. It and Chicago are almost 300 miles apart. Fairfield County begins 14 miles from NYC limits.
My point is that if you add Fairfield County to the Metropolitan area the definition is useless. Fairfield County has it's own culture and cultural amenities/media market (while officially in the NYC market, Fairfield County is grossly underserved and underrepresented, and really isn't that much of a factor anymore with the internet and all that)/travel patterns/employment sheds/healthcare hubs/and is the point of entry for most of the immigrants coming into Fairfield County. Almost all of the extremely wealthy in the county do not work on Wall Street, and the vast majority of high paying jobs are in County. Fairfield County, if a single entity would be the third largest congregation of major firms and GDP per capita output.

Again the reason why this is important is because the myth of Fairfield County being beholden and reliant on NYC is just that, a myth. But it does have severe political ramifications that actually feed much of the complaints heard on this board and amongst people: "Wahhhhh CT isn't growing," "Wahhhhh property taxes are too high," "Wahhhh traffic is too bad," "Wahhhh CT is losing young workers," only to be met with "oh we can't do anything for Bridgeport-Norwalk-Stamford... they just take their trains to their high powered jobs in NYC..."
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Old 01-15-2020, 03:08 PM
 
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My point is that if you add Fairfield County to the Metropolitan area the definition is useless. Fairfield County has it's own culture and cultural amenities/media market (while officially in the NYC market, Fairfield County is grossly underserved and underrepresented, and really isn't that much of a factor anymore with the internet and all that)/travel patterns/employment sheds/healthcare hubs/and is the point of entry for most of the immigrants coming into Fairfield County. Almost all of the extremely wealthy in the county do not work on Wall Street, and the vast majority of high paying jobs are in County. Fairfield County, if a single entity would be the third largest congregation of major firms and GDP per capita output.

Again the reason why this is important is because the myth of Fairfield County being beholden and reliant on NYC is just that, a myth. But it does have severe political ramifications that actually feed much of the complaints heard on this board and amongst people: "Wahhhhh CT isn't growing," "Wahhhhh property taxes are too high," "Wahhhh traffic is too bad," "Wahhhh CT is losing young workers," only to be met with "oh we can't do anything for Bridgeport-Norwalk-Stamford... they just take their trains to their high powered jobs in NYC..."
Do you have a source to the claim that “almost all of the extremely wealthy in the county do not work on Wall Street. And the vast majority of high paying jobs are in county”?

Do remember that even companies like Bridgewater and Point 72 are, basically, Wall Street. They would not exist in Stamford/Westport/Greenwich without being part of greater NYC and proximity to lower Manhattan. Employees at these funds are, irrefutably, Wall Street tycoons.
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Old 01-15-2020, 04:24 PM
 
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Do you have a source to the claim that “almost all of the extremely wealthy in the county do not work on Wall Street. And the vast majority of high paying jobs are in county”?
If the Billionaires of CT do not work in NYC, and only 10% of the working population of Fairfield County works in NYC, with the large number of multi-national conglomerates with massive salaries in the state... isn't the burden of proof on the idea that NYC fuels Fairfield County's wealth, instead of being fairly independent?

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Do remember that even companies like Bridgewater and Point 72 are, basically, Wall Street. They would not exist in Stamford/Westport/Greenwich without being part of greater NYC and proximity to lower Manhattan. Employees at these funds are, irrefutably, Wall Street tycoons.
Bridgewater left NYC almost a decade before I was even born...
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Old 01-15-2020, 06:13 PM
 
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The entire island is NYC metro.

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Yes, but only because the census only goes to county level resolution when delineating MSAs.

So Western Suffolk, with a greater population, outweighs the entire eastern half of the Island.

The "Line" on the island for me is from Rocky Point to Brookhaven. There's very little surban development east of it.

That's 50 miles outside of NYC, almost exactly the same distance as Fairfield is.

As it turns out most people tolerate up to an hour commute. Anything within that range in NY metro, anything not isn't.

Population density maps, commuting maps, etc. all support this trend.

And Fairfield (town) isn't NY metro because its population is denser in the eastern half of town towards BPT and New Haven, not NYC (and it also fails the coummute criteria).
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Old 01-15-2020, 06:27 PM
 
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If the Billionaires of CT do not work in NYC, and only 10% of the working population of Fairfield County works in NYC, with the large number of multi-national conglomerates with massive salaries in the state... isn't the burden of proof on the idea that NYC fuels Fairfield County's wealth, instead of being fairly independent?
Burden of proof is on anyone making an initial claim. If it can’t be backed up using a source, then I rest my case.

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Bridgewater left NYC almost a decade before I was even born...
You pretty much just proved my point that the ties to Manhattan are very strong. I can tell you, firsthand, that a large percentage of people working at Point 72, of which happen to be the highest income, work about 50% of their time in the Manhattan office. Bridgewater, and other firms in CT, are no different.
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