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Old 07-30-2021, 02:30 PM
 
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Testing should be at the employee's own expense not that of taxpayers.
I agree, and I feel similarly about the stimulus money for new vaccines. How many more will go get a second round? Are we prepared to pay that?
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Old 07-30-2021, 07:17 PM
 
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Testing should be at the employee's own expense not that of taxpayers.
It's a private business, but MGM is requiring all employees to be vaccinated. If not, the employee has to pay for weekly Covid tests ($15 at MGM or off-site on their own) and anyone unvaccinated who tests positive will not be paid for the time they have to take off.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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What we did in March 2020 was not a true shutdown or lockdown. We kept essential businesses open (and believe me, many, many qualified that had a tenuous connection to making life-critical supplies), never stopped international air travel, and most important, still allowed domestic air travel. Did it hurt small businesses? Of course. That's why I'm saying we shouldn't do it again. I'd rather pay $100-$500 per person to get the unvaxxed to get their shots.

To me, domestic travel is still a gaping loophole--just have TSA require proof of vaccination.
Planes were empty then.
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Old 07-31-2021, 04:21 PM
 
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So some people here want a vaccine ID. Same people might be against a Voter ID. See the problem.....

In P town there has been zero fatalities to date from Delta.

India and England are on the other side of the slope with cases falling. The former head of the CDC thinks we are the mend.....

The media though needs another horse to beat...

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Old 07-31-2021, 04:26 PM
 
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So some want people here want a vaccine ID. Same people might be against a voter ID. See the problem.....

In P town there has been zero fatalities to date from Delta.

India and England are on the other side of the slope with cases falling. The former head of the CDC thinks we are the mend.....

The media though needs another horse to beat...
Great work keep it up
and airports and planes still require masks so vaxports are moot for that
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Old 07-31-2021, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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Great work keep it up
and airports and planes still require masks so vaxports are moot for that
No, that's missing the point. Requiring proof of vaccination for air travel is not about protection on board the plane (because I agree masks are doing a good job). It's to slow down unvaxxed idiots from going across country (or coming here from abroad) to create clusters all over the place.
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Old 07-31-2021, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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So some people here want a vaccine ID. Same people might be against a Voter ID. See the problem.....

In P town there has been zero fatalities to date from Delta.

India and England are on the other side of the slope with cases falling. The former head of the CDC thinks we are the mend.....

The media though needs another horse to beat...
That's a fallacy. I, for one, favor both and I'm far from alone. Those who raise objections to voter ID do so because of the non-trivial cost (time, money) involved for many, in order to get an ID and exercise a constitutional right. By contrast, vaccines (and vaccine IDs) are free and available now practically at every supermarket & pharmacy.
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Old 07-31-2021, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Woburn, MA / W. Hartford, CT
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So some people here want a vaccine ID. Same people might be against a Voter ID. See the problem.....

In P town there has been zero fatalities to date from Delta.

India and England are on the other side of the slope with cases falling. The former head of the CDC thinks we are the mend.....

The media though needs another horse to beat...
The delta variant wreaked havoc in India. What they would have given to have the kind of unfettered access to vaccines that we have in the US! The point is that almost every death we're experiencing now is avoidable. Vaccines have to be the answer, not masking, not "lockdowns".
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:16 PM
 
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That's a fallacy. I, for one, favor both and I'm far from alone. Those who raise objections to voter ID do so because of the non-trivial cost (time, money) involved for many, in order to get an ID and exercise a constitutional right. By contrast, vaccines (and vaccine IDs) are free and available now practically at every supermarket & pharmacy.
Getting an id can't be much harder that getting 2 shots after making an appointment and then leaving a couple of days free for possibly impending sickness....then getting your ID that hasn't even been figured out. Not a piece of paper from CVS.....

Actually getting an ID for voting seems so much easier!
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:21 PM
 
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The delta variant wreaked havoc in India. What they would have given to have the kind of unfettered access to vaccines that we have in the US! The point is that almost every death we're experiencing now is avoidable. Vaccines have to be the answer, not masking, not "lockdowns".
Not necessarily disagreeing with you.....
That said, think everyone has to do their own risk/reward analysis..

If younger in good health, maybe pass, or not. Free choice.

Have heard from Drs of complications for some after vaccination.
They say no one wants to talk about. The power of persuasion is too strong.

Myself, I'm older I got Pfizer....
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