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Old 05-27-2022, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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The town of Trumbull started doing that 10+ years ago. We are up to 5.58% affordable housing in 2020. We have a lot of new apartments coming to Trumbull in the next few years so I am sure we should be up to 6.5% or maybe even 7%. 10% is just too high. The planning for affordable housing started about 15 years ago in Trumbull

Just to give you an idea of some Fairfield County towns. Frankly that is where all the lawsuits are coming in with the exception of Woodbridge near New Haven.

I think the smartest way to keep a towns character is to have deed restricted properties. You have "Pride of Place" when you own your own property no matter how humble.

.....................................Deed Restricted Units
Trumbull...........5.58% ..........303 ............................(we are in a moratorium to build AH)
Fairfield............2.57%...........124
Darien..............3.56%...........104
Westport...........3.72%...........58
New Canaan......2.94%...........21
Greenwich.........5.35%...........33
Easton............. 0.66% .........15..............(I never hear about AH lawsuits in Easton, I don't get it)
Wilton...............3.58%...........51
https://data.ct.gov/Housing-and-Deve...2020/3udy-56vi
The problem in Easton is that there are no public sewers. I vaguely remember a developer tried to get multi family housing on Park Avenue in Easton years ago and it was turned down for multiple reasons but primarily lack of sewers. The denial was upheld in court. Jay
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Old 05-28-2022, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Fairfield County CT
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The problem in Easton is that there are no public sewers. I vaguely remember a developer tried to get multi family housing on Park Avenue in Easton years ago and it was turned down for multiple reasons but primarily lack of sewers. The denial was upheld in court. Jay

No sewers are not an excuse. Trumbull put sewers in to meet the affordable housing. If Trumbull can do it on our incomes so can all the super wealthy towns.

Median HH Income
Trumbull $129,000
Easton $166,000
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...icut/BPS030221

There are condos in all of these wealthy towns without sewers. How do they do it?
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Old 05-28-2022, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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No sewers are not an excuse. Trumbull put sewers in to meet the affordable housing. If Trumbull can do it on our incomes so can all the super wealthy towns.

Median HH Income
Trumbull $129,000
Easton $166,000
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...icut/BPS030221

There are condos in all of these wealthy towns without sewers. How do they do it?
Building a septic system is very expensive and takes a lot of land. An expensive home can easily absorb the cost of a system in its price. The same with a condo in an expensive town. Affordable housing cannot.

Easton has little options for providing sewers or a sewage treatment facility in it borders. Most of its waterways are sources for potable water or have impounded water (lakes) immediately downstream. That’s why there have been no proposals for affordable housing from developers there and another reason 8-30g is such a poorly conceived law. It assumes that all towns can accommodate affordable housing when they can’t. Easton is a classic example of that. Weston maybe another. I’m sure there are more.

That’s why WestCOG’s proposal allowing towns to support affordable housing in another town makes sense and should be allowed. It would require a town like Easton to fund affordable housing in another town or city like Bridgeport where infrastructure is readily available. Jay
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Old 05-28-2022, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Fairfield County CT
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Building a septic system is very expensive and takes a lot of land. An expensive home can easily absorb the cost of a system in its price. The same with a condo in an expensive town. Affordable housing cannot.

Easton has little options for providing sewers or a sewage treatment facility in it borders. Most of its waterways are sources for potable water or have impounded water (lakes) immediately downstream. That’s why there have been no proposals for affordable housing from developers there and another reason 8-30g is such a poorly conceived law. It assumes that all towns can accommodate affordable housing when they can’t. Easton is a classic example of that. Weston maybe another. I’m sure there are more.

That’s why WestCOG’s proposal allowing towns to support affordable housing in another town makes sense and should be allowed. It would require a town like Easton to fund affordable housing in another town or city like Bridgeport where infrastructure is readily available. Jay
Surprise.....look what I just found. This is what Trumbull did 15 years go.

Easton 2022 Affordable Housing Plan.
https://www.eastonct.gov/sites/g/fil..._ph_051622.pdf

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Building a septic system is very expensive and takes a lot of land. An expensive home can easily absorb the cost of a system in its price. The same with a condo in an expensive town. Affordable housing cannot.

Easton has little options for providing sewers or a sewage treatment facility in it borders.
Trumbull does not have it's own sewage treatment facility. We use Bridgeport's.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Surprise.....look what I just found. This is what Trumbull did 15 years go.

Easton 2022 Affordable Housing Plan.
https://www.eastonct.gov/sites/g/fil..._ph_051622.pdf



Trumbull does not have it's own sewage treatment facility. We use Bridgeport's.
Trumbull’s agreement to send sewage to Bridgeport was set up decades ago. The system was built to accommodate Trumbull’s semi dense suburban neighborhoods. Easton was not. As Easton’s affordable housing plan indicates, the town’s primary goal for decades has been conservation for preservation of drinking water quality. That’s very different from Trumbull.

It’s interesting that Eastons plan does not even attempt to provide anywhere the number of units to meet the 10% goal. Instead it talks about constructing several units on South Park Avenue and several units added in the Staples Elementary School building. It’s total is a fraction of what the town needs to meet the goal. It mentions connecting to sewers but fails to identify where that is possible. I’m not sure it is. Jay
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Old 05-30-2022, 08:32 PM
 
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Perhaps incentives for urbanization will come from various quasi orgs (water, sewer, transit etc) expanding from urban areas to more suburban rather than force the opposite.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Well Easton has approved its Affordable Housing Plan and as expected it emphasizes conservation of watershed properties in town. It specifically does not included the ten acre property on South Park Avenue which the town has designated for conservation. Interesting since that site could possibly hold most, if not all of the towns required 10% affordable housing. I’m not sure it has access to public utilities (sewers, water, etc.). Jay

https://www.ctpost.com/fairfield/art...b7ec05fc2f46fd
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Old 06-11-2022, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Building a septic system is very expensive and takes a lot of land. An expensive home can easily absorb the cost of a system in its price. The same with a condo in an expensive town. Affordable housing cannot.

Easton has little options for providing sewers or a sewage treatment facility in it borders. Most of its waterways are sources for potable water or have impounded water (lakes) immediately downstream. That’s why there have been no proposals for affordable housing from developers there and another reason 8-30g is such a poorly conceived law. It assumes that all towns can accommodate affordable housing when they can’t. Easton is a classic example of that. Weston maybe another. I’m sure there are more.

That’s why WestCOG’s proposal allowing towns to support affordable housing in another town makes sense and should be allowed. It would require a town like Easton to fund affordable housing in another town or city like Bridgeport where infrastructure is readily available. Jay
>> That’s why WestCOG’s proposal allowing towns to support affordable housing in another town makes sense and should be allowed. It would require a town like Easton to fund affordable housing in another town or city like Bridgeport where infrastructure is readily available.

The status quo clearly isn't working as well so no this isn't a good idea in my view. This will just reinforce slowing economic growth by concentrating all the affordable housing in our cities such as Bridgeport, which already do more than their fair share and need tons of market rate housing and the ability to create business/retail opportunities.
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Old 06-11-2022, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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>> That’s why WestCOG’s proposal allowing towns to support affordable housing in another town makes sense and should be allowed. It would require a town like Easton to fund affordable housing in another town or city like Bridgeport where infrastructure is readily available.

The status quo clearly isn't working as well so no this isn't a good idea in my view. This will just reinforce slowing economic growth by concentrating all the affordable housing in our cities such as Bridgeport, which already do more than their fair share and need tons of market rate housing and the ability to create business/retail opportunities.
You don’t think millions of dollars in housing investment in Bridgeport is worth it? It’s not really happening now outside of a few neighborhoods like Black Rock, Downtown and the North End. That money would go a long way to improve say the West End which has land ripe for redevelopment. Jay
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Old 06-16-2022, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Excellent opinion piece on 8-30g and why the state needs to stop and take a look at the impact of it. Jay

https://ctmirror.org/2022/06/15/8-30...-bad-for-2022/
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