[SteveM85]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

Fully agree with what I underlined. (Or, at minimum, move to emulate Canada's Merit based immigration system which basically excludes immigration from those w/o advanced skills, education, and training.)

That's a given, a layup. For this thread though I meant CT borders.

[Beeker2211]

Jay,

I think that growth should be sheparded to the areas in the state that can handle it. Areas that already have the infrastructure over built for it's population (cough METROCOG).

CT could handle 2 million more people easily... But not 2 million more cars which is the issue.

And unless the house gets expanded with the Wyoming rule house delegations matter a hell of a lot... With it population growth rate. We def don't want to be dallas area but we could handle slightly more than 1% over 10 years.

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by mdovell

Density isn't even. In Tolland county there's less than just springfield mass alone. I see plenty of space that housing can be built on. There's some developments in the works but plenty want more. People want more development according to the facebook and nextdoor app groups. But without enough population people will still be going further out for things.

you have three of eight counties with the bulk and then a drop off
https://www.connecticut-demographics..._by_population

1 Fairfield County 943,926 1,500 people per sq mile
2 Hartford County 893,561 1,200 people per sq mile
3 New Haven County 857,513 1,400 people per sq mile
4 New London County 267,390 350 people per sq mile
5 Litchfield County 182,002 200 people per sq mile
6 Middlesex County 163,053 380 people per sq mile
7 Tolland County 151,063 370 people per sq mile
8 Windham County 116,566 - 230 people per sq mil


There's plenty of room in #5 to 8. Obviously you don't need more in the first three.

You have to have population growth otherwise you have higher costs in the long run. Fewer people consuming and then the private sector cuts and runs or outsources. We don't have nearly as much immigration and the birthrate has been low for awhile.

the other aspect of the 1% is this. If covid didn't happen how much lower would it have been without NY'ers moving over?

People want development until it’s proposed in their backyard. Then they come out screaming to stop it. I have been involved in developments your #5 through #8 and saw severe opposition to it in ALL of them. Like BobNJ1960, it’s easy for you to sit back and say there’s room for development here or there when you don’t know the area but the truth is there isn’t.

Remember to get our growth rate up to say just 4% that means we’d have to add over 144,000 residents a year. That’s like adding an entire new city the size of Bridgeport each year or doubling the population of Tolland County. That’s adding more than 41,000 housing units. Where the heck are we going to build that many homes without destroying miles and miles of our small state? You can’t without significantly 8mpacting a lot of communities. Jay

[MMS02760]

Originally Posted by CTartist

Lol.........We have enough people in CT and especially Fairfield County. I would not want to lose a seat though.

Highest Density States per square mile
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ates-of-the-us

1 NJ 1207
2 MA 883
3 CT 734
4 MD 623
5 DE 506

SC 11
TX 39
TN 112

As long as cheap people move out down south (who complain about taxes) and rich New Yorkers keep moving in I'm good with that lol.

That list seems to be missing RI which for a long time has been in 2nd place behind NJ.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by mdovell

Density isn't even. In Tolland county there's less than just springfield mass alone. I see plenty of space that housing can be built on. There's some developments in the works but plenty want more. People want more development according to the facebook and nextdoor app groups. But without enough population people will still be going further out for things.

you have three of eight counties with the bulk and then a drop off
https://www.connecticut-demographics..._by_population

1 Fairfield County 943,926 1,500 people per sq mile
2 Hartford County 893,561 1,200 people per sq mile
3 New Haven County 857,513 1,400 people per sq mile
4 New London County 267,390 350 people per sq mile
5 Litchfield County 182,002 200 people per sq mile
6 Middlesex County 163,053 380 people per sq mile
7 Tolland County 151,063 370 people per sq mile
8 Windham County 116,566 - 230 people per sq mil


There's plenty of room in #5 to 8. Obviously you don't need more in the first three.

You have to have population growth otherwise you have higher costs in the long run. Fewer people consuming and then the private sector cuts and runs or outsources. We don't have nearly as much immigration and the birthrate has been low for awhile.

the other aspect of the 1% is this. If covid didn't happen how much lower would it have been without NY'ers moving over?

[BobNJ1960]

Hartford is 50k lower in population than it was in 1950.

New Haven is 30k lower than it was in 1950.

https://www.biggestuscities.com/city...0in%20the%20US.

https://portal.ct.gov/SOTS/Register-...more%20rows%20

[7 Wishes]

Originally Posted by CTartist

Here is a question about the Census. This question is not to start a debate on legal or illegal immigrants, thanks.

Does the Census count illegal immigrants? That could explain why Texas is getting so big.

"The three states with the most Hispanics also had the biggest increases of this population from 2010 to 2019: Texas (2.0 million increase), California (1.5 million) and Florida (1.4 million). These states accounted for half (50%) of U.S. Hispanic population growth during this time."
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...wth-since-2010

It would be kind of ironic if illegal immigrants are giving Texas more political power while at the same time Texas is trying to stop that immigration. It might not be that everyone from the north (like CT) is fleeing down south but that immigrants (both illegal and legal) are driving the growth in FL and Texas.

It's funny you say that because Cuomo wants to sue over being just 89 people short of not losing a House seat saying that many didn't do the Census who would've otherwise because of "pressure from Trump". But I'm thinking it would similarly affect Florida's and Texas' numbers and all be a wash.

I read an article in Politico anyway that said if NY did have 89 more people and nowhere else changed the state that would lose a seat is Minnesota. While they had a close 2016 Presidential election they are generally blue so it wouldn't change much.

[CTartist]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

Hartford is 50k lower in population than it was in 1950.

New Haven is 30k lower than it was in 1950.

https://www.biggestuscities.com/city...0in%20the%20US.

https://portal.ct.gov/SOTS/Register-...more%20rows%20

Wow.....it looks like the only major city that is growing is Stamford.

[SteveM85]

Originally Posted by CTartist

Wow.....it looks like the only major city that is growing is Stamford.

They all are, look again. Both Bridgeport and New Haven clocked in at a respectable +3 & 5% respectively. Waterbury held firm and the mad hatters of Danbury are closing in on the number 6 position in the state.

[Route7toRoute202]

Originally Posted by CTartist

As long as cheap people move out down south (who complain about taxes) and rich New Yorkers keep moving in I'm good with that lol.

Be careful what you wish for.......

Also, people who move down south, particularly for retirement, most of the time aren't moving down because they're cheap. It's because they can't afford to retire in this state.