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Old 07-17-2021, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Nobody knows. That's a big part of the problem with Covid. It's new and no one yet really understands it and what it can do. If we knew, we wouldn't be so bothered about it. But it's unpredictable and each new variant seems to carry new risks. How would you like to need a lung transplant from having Covid? How would you like to become permanently disabled from Covid? If we knew that it would stop and that there would never be any new variants and severe after effects, we could just relax about it. I hate this just as much as anyone but saying it's just about over and things are so much better doesn't make it better.

Most of the world isn't even vaccinated meaning there's lots of room for more variants to develop. If you want someone to tell you nursery rhymes and fairy tales, then fine. But if you read the news in other parts of the world, especially where the Delta variant is raging and other new variants are always emerging you can see the truth. This is not a bed of roses, much as we'd like it to be. It is far from over.
Variants are primarily more effective at being transmissible. They are the survivors. It is Darwinism in virus form. The jury is out on whether they’re actually more lethal. That hasn’t been definitively proven anywhere yet.

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There is limited research regarding whether or not the Delta variant causes more severe illness than other variants. According to Public Health England, early data suggests that Delta is more likely to lead to hospitalization than Alpha, but that could be due to increased transmissibility rather than it being more pathogenic.
That said, it still mutates rather slowly and it’s not like it’s becoming a whole new virus. And the vaccines are still effective. So it’s becoming fairly predictable. But it’s also running out of places to infiltrate at scale like India for those mutation events.

It does seem odd though that the new variants don’t follow the normal viral trend of more transmissible, less deadly.
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Old 07-17-2021, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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"It's time to live with this"
Stylo, July 17,2021

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Words of wisdom
Learn it, know it, live it
Live with what? The Alpha variant? The Beta variant? The Delta variant? The Gamma variant? Until we know more about them and whether the vaccines are effective against them we don’t know what we have to live with. As CTartist pointed out, this is all new. A truly “wise” person proceeds with caution when things are unknown. I don’t think you can get more “unknown” than this. Jay
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Old 07-17-2021, 02:19 PM
 
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Old 07-17-2021, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Live with what? The Alpha variant? The Beta variant? The Delta variant? The Gamma variant? Until we know more about them and whether the vaccines are effective against them we don’t know what we have to live with. As CTartist pointed out, this is all new. A truly “wise” person proceeds with caution when things are unknown. I don’t think you can get more “unknown” than this. Jay
https://www.businessinsider.com/delt...-notice-2021-7
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-delta-variant
https://www.wsj.com/articles/delta-v...ty-11626374706
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid

Could go on. All positive for vaccinated. Get jabbed, live life. This is the way.
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Old 07-17-2021, 05:52 PM
 
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Live with what? The Alpha variant? The Beta variant? The Delta variant? The Gamma variant? Until we know more about them and whether the vaccines are effective against them we don’t know what we have to live with. As CTartist pointed out, this is all new. A truly “wise” person proceeds with caution when things are unknown. I don’t think you can get more “unknown” than this. Jay
Yes, live with all of them, and monitor the serious stuff (44 hospitalizations = no cause for major concern at this time).

Vaccines are not the sole immunity. We have a few hundred thousand residents who had Covid, who built their own immunity on top of the vaccine.
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Old 07-17-2021, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Yes, live with all of them, and monitor the serious stuff (44 hospitalizations = no cause for major concern at this time).

Vaccines are not the sole immunity. We have a few hundred thousand residents who had Covid, who built their own immunity on top of the vaccine.
Last I saw estimates were a bit more than 1/3 the state infected. So minimum 1,000,000.
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Old 07-17-2021, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Hiatus
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Live with what? The Alpha variant? The Beta variant? The Delta variant? The Gamma variant? Until we know more about them and whether the vaccines are effective against them we don’t know what we have to live with. As CTartist pointed out, this is all new. A truly “wise” person proceeds with caution when things are unknown. I don’t think you can get more “unknown” than this. Jay
Life is full of unknowns, add them to the list.
Just got back from Barcelona (not the city) a little while ago. Not one mask, no plexiglass, no distanced tables, packed, every table, people waiting for tables. Same for the Irish pizza establishment and the other venues in the courtyard. What a meal! What a night!
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Old 07-17-2021, 09:01 PM
 
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Life is full of unknowns, add them to the list.
Just got back from Barcelona (not the city) a little while ago. Not one mask, no plexiglass, no distanced tables, packed, every table, people waiting for tables. Same for the Irish pizza establishment and the other venues in the courtyard. What a meal! What a night!
Wow. That sounds like a phenomenal trip.
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Old 07-17-2021, 10:28 PM
 
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Live with what? The Alpha variant? The Beta variant? The Delta variant? The Gamma variant? Until we know more about them and whether the vaccines are effective against them we don’t know what we have to live with. As CTartist pointed out, this is all new. A truly “wise” person proceeds with caution when things are unknown. I don’t think you can get more “unknown” than this. Jay
Yes. We have to live with it the same way we live with the flu each year, and other ailments. This doesn’t mean shut down, it doesn’t mean we have the right to demand others live their lives as we prefer. It means we take care of ourselves and our families the best way we see fit. That’s it. Nobody has the right to say one way is the “right way”. We all have different lifestyles and immune systems.

I’ve asked myself so many times since the start of COVID, when reading people demand others do this and do that - who the hell do these people think they are?
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Old 07-17-2021, 11:49 PM
 
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Yes. We have to live with it the same way we live with the flu each year, and other ailments. This doesn’t mean shut down, it doesn’t mean we have the right to demand others live their lives as we prefer. It means we take care of ourselves and our families the best way we see fit. That’s it. Nobody has the right to say one way is the “right way”. We all have different lifestyles and immune systems.

I’ve asked myself so many times since the start of COVID, when reading people demand others do this and do that - who the hell do these people think they are?



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