[SteveM85]

Kraft used Hartford like a cheap suit but if he chose to go that route the NFL would have stamped it through. Hartford would have hosted all the Super Bowl parades assuming Belichek and Brady were still there. That’s the fallacy of a predetermined outcome though, maybe being in Hartford they would have went in other directions for coach/QB combos you can never know.

[Johnho771]

Kraft definetely wanted to move the Pats to Hartford. How was it the year Foxboro hosted the super bowl? Oh yeah, that's right, it never hosted one. Kraft was drawn to the buzz and the appeal of having the stadium in a city and not a suburban new england town. The deal wasnt close to being signed, it was signed. Unfortunately the removal and clean up of the steam plant site proved to be complex, and at the end of the day a predictable stadium in sleepy foxboro prevailed over not knowing when youll have a stadium in the city.

[BHW2436]

Originally Posted by Johnho771

Kraft definetely wanted to move the Pats to Hartford. How was it the year Foxboro hosted the super bowl? Oh yeah, that's right, it never hosted one. Kraft was drawn to the buzz and the appeal of having the stadium in a city and not a suburban new england town. The deal wasnt close to being signed, it was signed. Unfortunately the removal and clean up of the steam plant site proved to be complex, and at the end of the day a predictable stadium in sleepy foxboro prevailed over not knowing when youll have a stadium in the city.

Lots of NFL stadiums have never hosted a Super Bowl. It’s mostly nice weather areas and occasionally domes which I doubt Hartford location would have been.

[SteveM85]

Originally Posted by Johnho771

Kraft definetely wanted to move the Pats to Hartford. How was it the year Foxboro hosted the super bowl? Oh yeah, that's right, it never hosted one. Kraft was drawn to the buzz and the appeal of having the stadium in a city and not a suburban new england town. The deal wasnt close to being signed, it was signed. Unfortunately the removal and clean up of the steam plant site proved to be complex, and at the end of the day a predictable stadium in sleepy foxboro prevailed over not knowing when youll have a stadium in the city.

I said would have hosted Super Bowl parades, not the actual Super Bowl game.

I get it though, never could understand why they kept an NFL site in the middle of nowhere. They should have put up a dome in Boston they could have hosted the Big Game there and Final Fours

[BHW2436]

Originally Posted by SteveM85

I said would have hosted Super Bowl parades, not the actual Super Bowl game.

I get it though, never could understand why they kept an NFL site in the middle of nowhere. They should have put up a dome in Boston they could have hosted the Big Game there and Final Fours

Football stadiums are mixed in terms of location in a city or in a suburb.

I’ve always felt that FedEx Field (Washington) and Foxborough (Pats) are two of the stadiums in the absolute worst locations. Nothing around it, few hotels, traffic is bad, public transport options non-existent/bad.

With that said, football is a tailgating sport. You need large parking lots. Lots of impervious surfaces which impact water runoff/environmental concerns, etc.

With hockey and basketball you can have vertical parking garages. Football you cannot.

It’s a different animal in terms of what kind of space you need which is why city environments for a stadium that in reality doesn’t get used all that much, is challenging.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by BHW2436

Football stadiums are mixed in terms of location in a city or in a suburb.

I’ve always felt that FedEx Field (Washington) and Foxborough (Pats) are two of the stadiums in the absolute worst locations. Nothing around it, few hotels, traffic is bad, public transport options non-existent/bad.

With that said, football is a tailgating sport. You need large parking lots. Lots of impervious surfaces which impact water runoff/environmental concerns, etc.

With hockey and basketball you can have vertical parking garages. Football you cannot.

It’s a different animal in terms of what kind of space you need which is why city environments for a stadium that in reality doesn’t get used all that much, is challenging.

Having been to both multiple times.

Foxboro is a much much worse location than Largo. Less transit, less to do, significantly further from the city, not really near a major interstate, let alone right off one.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by robr2

But he didn't get any money from the state for Gillette. The state provided HALF of what he originally wanted and all the money was spent on improving the roadways around the stadium. Kraft fully funded the building of the Gillette.

Yea if he did all that it's pretty clear he was never going to Hartford They could've given him $500M and it appears he would've still stayed in MA.

[robr2]

Originally Posted by SteveM85

I said would have hosted Super Bowl parades, not the actual Super Bowl game.

I get it though, never could understand why they kept an NFL site in the middle of nowhere. They should have put up a dome in Boston they could have hosted the Big Game there and Final Fours

The city of Boston fought the stadium plan. It was supposed to go where the convention center now sits in South Boston. The problem with putting it there was that there was little support for putting it on the edge of Southie and the new development of the Seaport. It simply wasn’t part of the grand vision that then Mayor Menino had for that part of Boston.

[SteveM85]

Originally Posted by BHW2436

Football stadiums are mixed in terms of location in a city or in a suburb.

I’ve always felt that FedEx Field (Washington) and Foxborough (Pats) are two of the stadiums in the absolute worst locations. Nothing around it, few hotels, traffic is bad, public transport options non-existent/bad.

With that said, football is a tailgating sport. You need large parking lots. Lots of impervious surfaces which impact water runoff/environmental concerns, etc.

With hockey and basketball you can have vertical parking garages. Football you cannot.

It’s a different animal in terms of what kind of space you need which is why city environments for a stadium that in reality doesn’t get used all that much, is challenging.

Most are in city environments.

[Johnho771]

Originally Posted by BHW2436

Football stadiums are mixed in terms of location in a city or in a suburb.

I’ve always felt that FedEx Field (Washington) and Foxborough (Pats) are two of the stadiums in the absolute worst locations. Nothing around it, few hotels, traffic is bad, public transport options non-existent/bad.

With that said, football is a tailgating sport. You need large parking lots. Lots of impervious surfaces which impact water runoff/environmental concerns, etc.

With hockey and basketball you can have vertical parking garages. Football you cannot.

It’s a different animal in terms of what kind of space you need which is why city environments for a stadium that in reality doesn’t get used all that much, is challenging.

I'm sure the abundance of parking lots was part of the appeal to the Kraft Group when looking at Hartford. Parking is one of the city's big industries with Laz being based out of it. Would have provided a downtown environment with the ability to still tailgate.