[Rich Lee]

Originally Posted by KH02

I'm glad it came out. Now I know what towns to look into for our next move.

Here's a summary of those towns:

FAIRFIELD COUNTY - 8 out of 23
Brookfield
Darien
Easton
Monroe
New Canaan
New Fairfield
Shelton
Trumbull

HARTFORD COUNTY - 1 out of 29
Hartland

LITCHFIELD COUNTY - 7 out of 26
Bethlehem
Goshen
Harwinton
Morris
Thomaston
Watertown
Woodbury

MIDDLESEX COUNTY - 0 out of 15

NEW HAVEN COUNTY - 7 out of 27
Beacon Falls
Middlebury
Orange
Oxford
Prospect
Southbury
Wolcott

NEW LONDON COUNTY - 1 out of 21
Voluntown

TOLLAND - 0 out of 13

WINDHAM - 3 out of 15
Canterbury
Eastford
Sterling

Please note: there are several states that still have a solid RED population: Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Mississippi, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2..._by_County.PNG

[brattpowered]

You kind of have to feel bad for New Canaan and Darien... The party of the rich blue-blood patricians has been co-opted by "drill baby drill" and Joe the Meathead.

[Stratford, Ct. Resident]

Originally Posted by brattpowered

You kind of have to feel bad for New Canaan and Darien... The party of the rich blue-blood patricians has been co-opted by "drill baby drill" and Joe the Meathead.

I observed many long faces in the center of New Canaan the day after the election. I could feel the tension in the air. It should be an interesting ride over the next 4 years.

[goldenband]

Originally Posted by JViello

I find that funny because the majority of the time, the deepest "blue" areas in the nation, seem to have the greatest gap between rich and poor where the "red" areas generally have less of a social economic gap. Go figure.

CT would be one of those "areas". We have the richest towns in the nation and the poorest cities in the nation all in this small place. All those CT liberals must really be "looking out" for the poor folks from their million dollar homes. I guess they feel better just talking about it then actually doing something about it.

Don't worry, JViello, the red states come in for their share of hypocrisy too -- there's plenty to go around!

For instance,Moderator cut: linking to competitors sites is not allowed, link removed. They also hold half of the spots in the list of states with the highest teen pregnancy rate, and that's only thanks to this past election -- if we used Bush/Gore or Bush/Kerry numbers, they'd have eight or nine out of ten.

[xavierob82]

Case study: Connecticut and Alabama.

Proof positive that the United States of America no longer votes along class and economic lines.

[JViello]

Originally Posted by goldenband

Don't worry, JViello, the red states come in for their share of hypocrisy too -- there's plenty to go around!

For instance, Moderator cut: linking to competitors sites is not allowed, link removed. They also hold half of the spots in the list of states with the highest teen pregnancy rate, and that's only thanks to this past election -- if we used Bush/Gore or Bush/Kerry numbers, they'd have eight or nine out of ten.

Oh I'm sure there can be some fingers pointing back.

I'm just wary of those type of stats. For instance, perhaps there are more divorces because there are more marriage? Folks tend to "shack up" more for 5 or 10 years around here.

Perhaps they also "marry" and/or have children at younger ages then we do here. (Which they tend to do) That would also increase "teen pregnancy" rates.

So I put little stock in those kind of stats. However, there is no denying that Hartford is dirt, stank @ssed poor and that Avon which looketh down upon thy "poor in the valley" is stank @ssed rich. The number of high dollar European cars that drive through the hood on Albany avenue on their way "up the mountain" on any given day with "liberal" bumper stickers is actually pretty funny.

[goldenband]

Originally Posted by JViello

However, there is no denying that Hartford is dirt, stank @ssed poor and that Avon which looketh down upon thy "poor in the valley" is stank @ssed rich. The number of high dollar European cars that drive through the hood on Albany avenue on their way "up the mountain" on any given day with "liberal" bumper stickers is actually pretty funny.

Fair enough, but I find it interesting that you pick Avon as your poster child for the liberal rich -- it's the only town in the immediate vicinity of Hartford that voted for Bush in 2004!

I guess your argument just feels awfully partisan to me, both here and on other threads; for one, there seems to be a subtext in your posts that rich conservatives are honest, hard-working, salt-of-the-earth folks who've earned it, whereas rich liberals are snooty, latte-drinking hypocrites. You and I both know that neither of those things are true.

Why don't you mention New Canaan and Darien when you talk about the rich who "look down upon" the poor? These are super-rich, super-exclusive communities -- far more so than Avon -- that aren't far at all from poor areas. Both have voted red in the last two elections (at least). So have all the towns immediately north of Bridgeport: Trumbull, Shelton, Montroe, Easton. Do they deserve to be singled out, too?

I don't deny that there are plenty of liberal hypocrites, but I find it frustrating that you seem to hold people to a different standard if they're on "your team". That, to me, is a particularly dangerous sort of hypocrisy, because it privileges tribalism at the expense of truth -- and there's just way, way, way too much of that these days. (And that goes for Democrats or Republicans, by the way!)

[Rich Lee]

Originally Posted by JViello

I'm just wary of those type of stats.

Point taken regarding the variables and assumptions with "divorce rates."

However, these two are less subjective:
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List of U.S. minimum wages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[CrissCT]

Originally Posted by JViello

Perhaps they also "marry" and/or have children at younger ages then we do here. (Which they tend to do) That would also increase "teen pregnancy" rates.

Well they aren't just marrying, they are also aborting at a higher rate in those conservative states. Connecticut has one of the lowest abortion rates in the country, while "good ole people with values" in Tennessee and Oklahoma have double the abortion rate.

PublicChristian » Red States Are More Pro-Abortion (http://www.publicchristian.com/index.php?p=734 - broken link)

[JViello]

Originally Posted by goldenband

Fair enough, but I find it interesting that you pick Avon as your poster child for the liberal rich -- it's the only town in the immediate vicinity of Hartford that voted for Bush in 2004!

I guess your argument just feels awfully partisan to me, both here and on other threads; for one, there seems to be a subtext in your posts that rich conservatives are honest, hard-working, salt-of-the-earth folks who've earned it, whereas rich liberals are snooty, latte-drinking hypocrites. You and I both know that neither of those things are true.

Why don't you mention New Canaan and Darien when you talk about the rich who "look down upon" the poor? These are super-rich, super-exclusive communities -- far more so than Avon -- that aren't far at all from poor areas. Both have voted red in the last two elections (at least). So have all the towns immediately north of Bridgeport: Trumbull, Shelton, Montroe, Easton. Do they deserve to be singled out, too?

I don't deny that there are plenty of liberal hypocrites, but I find it frustrating that you seem to hold people to a different standard if they're on "your team". That, to me, is a particularly dangerous sort of hypocrisy, because it privileges tribalism at the expense of truth -- and there's just way, way, way too much of that these days. (And that goes for Democrats or Republicans, by the way!)

I hear you and I understand what you are saying. I'll try and clarify this as best I can. I generally find the "hypocrites" regarding "social justice" and "self sacrifice" issues are the rich liberals. The dreadloc, crunchy greenies generally actually live their beliefs. So do most of the "rich" conservatives.

Are there exceptions? Of course. But I'm talking more on a macro level.

For instance...I have a customer in Avon. Very large home - about 5500sf, in an exlusive neighborhood. Husband is a top level exec in the insurance industry.

Whenever I do work there, all the "green" rhetoric comes out. To the point she was stuffing towels and blankets in the door opening I had to leave of about 3" to "conserve".

I just sit there and laugh because in the garage is a Suburban, A8 sedan, and a Grand Cherokee in the driveway. They are two people who live in a monstrous house wasting incredible amount of energy. There are rooms in the house the probably never had a light switch turned on.

She is the same person who thinks we should "give to the poor" but would never think of downsizing her own life to do so.

As for the towns you mentioned...I can at least say, I don't think they ever preached socialism for all while living in luxury and doing nothing about it.

I would say their "ideology" generally says, you have the opportunity to do something with your life, go for it. We won't exclude you from our "circle" of influence...but don't expect a handout.

I know, generalization - but on a macro level that's the take at least.

Originally Posted by Rich Lee

Point taken regarding the variables and assumptions with "divorce rates."

However, these two are less subjective:
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List of U.S. minimum wages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What am I missing here Rich? How did we go from divorce rates and teen pregnancy to minimum wage and "best lifestyle"? I'm not following the logic.

Originally Posted by CrissCT

Well they aren't just marrying, they are also aborting at a higher rate in those conservative states. Connecticut has one of the lowest abortion rates in the country, while "good ole people with values" in Tennessee and Oklahoma have double the abortion rate.

PublicChristian » Red States Are More Pro-Abortion (http://www.publicchristian.com/index.php?p=734 - broken link)

Full Disclosure About The Public Christian:

This info lifted from the Liberals Like Christ site. You can see Ray Dubuque's original chart there, about 1/2 way down the page

Ray Dubuque:

Ray...now finds web publishing a great way to spread the word that the "Religious Right" are friends not of Christ (who was one of the greatest "Liberals" of all time), but the very kind of people who were the mortal foes of Jesus of Nazareth all his life.

Real unbiased source there sparky.

How about some real statistics instead of left wing bomb throwing?

http://www.thirdway.org/data/product...f_abortion.pdf

Ever thinks about how those stats can get skewed and twisted?

Most abortions occur in the state where the woman lives.
91.3% of all abortions occur in the woman’s home state. Several states stand out as destinations for non-residents seeking abortions.* They include Kansas, Delaware, Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Nebraska, Oklahoma Rhode Island, Tennessee, and the District of Columbia.

Over half of all abortions in D.C. are performed on out-of-state residents.
• Nearly half of all abortions in Kansas are performed on out-of-state residents.
• Nearly 40% of all abortions in North Dakota are performed on out-of-state
residents.
• Nearly 30% of all abortions in Delaware are performed on out-of-state residents.
• Nearly one in four abortions in Rhode Island are performed on out-of-state
residents.
• Nearly 20% of all abortions in Tennessee and Alabama are performed on out-ofstate
residents.

Just one piece of information that could skew a number wildly.

So you can toss the bombs, but anyone with half a brain can see right through it. What I fear is the lack of brains in a lot of people who will swallow your poisen without a second thought.

Nice job at the smear though. You should go into politics.