[mikelizard860]

Originally Posted by HeadedWest

Let my try to help you figure this out: of the cities that are both hot and top-10 humid, Texas has one and Florida has three. It's like a Venn diagram.

Let me help you figure this out. Relative humidity is irrelevant. You're also using year round stats....irrelevant to summer.

Here's one with dewpoint



Texas is MUCH hotter than anywhere in Florida. You have to take the temperature and the humidity and then you come up with a heat index. Once you come up with a heat index(which is basically combining the temp and humidity to come up with a real feel temperature) Dallas is WAY hotter than ANYWHERE in Florida during the summer.

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USATODAY.com - Answers: Is Florida or Texas more humid

"To see what's wrong with relative humidity, let's go to Barrow, Alaska, on an average January day when the temperature dips to -19 and the dew point is -20, the relative humidity is going to be 94.96%. You might be wishing you had another parka to put on, but the 94.96% relative humidity is not going to make you feel sticky."

"It's hard to imagine anyone being able to notice the difference between a 71-degree and a 75-degree dewpoint day without weather measurements."
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Average dewpoint in Houston in July is 72, which is right up there with florida.Dallas is VERY HUMID. Florida is slightly more humid, but Dallas texas is WAY hotter. So therefore Dallas is hotter than anywhere in Florida. The average high in Dallas is 96(vs upper 80s to 92 in most of florida) and it can get unbearable heat waves where it gets above 100. Florida rarely gets this hot. Miami has hit 100 once in the past 100 years. And all of this is happening with a very high dewpoint. Dallas record high is 112 degrees. Dallas averages 30 days above 100....miami = 0 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Dallas

Explaining the difference between relatvie humidity and dewpoint
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[HeadedWest]

Originally Posted by mikelizard860

Let me help you figure this out.

Nice try, but let's refine the data with head to head comparisons.

Some data from Hot, Humid Weather: How US Cities Compare - Current Results

The first number is how many days from the decade 1998-2007 the Temperature-Humidity index exceeded 95 degrees. The second number is how many of those days were due to humidity, not the temperature. Miami and Tampa are the champions of both discomfort AND humidity. All four are hot.

Tampa being on top didn't surprise me; I've spent time there and it was miserable. But I thought Miami would score better; maybe it's just the tropical breezes in the southern part of Florida that help.

• Tampa 3129 3058
• Miami 3098 3037
• Houston 2917 2416
• Dallas 2467 857

[mikelizard860]

Originally Posted by HeadedWest

Nice try, but let's refine the data with head to head comparisons.

Some data from Hot, Humid Weather: How US Cities Compare - Current Results

The first number is how many days from the decade 1998-2007 the Temperature-Humidity index exceeded 95 degrees. The second number is how many of those days were due to humidity, not the temperature. Miami and Tampa are the champions of both discomfort AND humidity. All four are hot.

Tampa being on top didn't surprise me; I've spent time there and it was miserable. But I thought Miami would score better; maybe it's just the tropical breezes in the southern part of Florida that help.

• Tampa 3129 3058
• Miami 3098 3037
• Houston 2917 2416
• Dallas 2467 857

Nice try That total includes months OUTSIDE of summer.(florida is much hotter in sept/oct/may/april) It gets above 95 heat index routinely in Florida in fall/spring. For extreme heat/humidity in summer TEXAS is KING! The data below I listed from your own link proves that.

On top of it from your own link you just provided:

TEXAS CLEARLY HAS MORE EXTREME SUMMER HEAT!

Days over 105+
Dallas 352
Houston 460
Miami 72
Tampa 204

Days over 115+
Houston 11
Dallas 4
Miami 0
Tampa 3

NO COMPETITION!

[mikelizard860]

Also, interesting to note how horribly hot phoenix is.

Days above 105(feel like)
1060

Desert southwest is way hotter than Florida even though there's no humidity. 110 degrees and sun is brutal even with no humidity. They don't call parts of desert sw death valley for nothing.

People in CT complain about our heat, but it's NOTHING compared to these places.

[Cambium]

Reason why Texas is hotter than Florida is mostly because Florida is a peninsula surrounded by water.

When Texas gets that SW or S flow from Mexico, Texas is on fire. But it all depends how the upper level flow is setup for the day. Sometimes Florida is hotter but here's a look at the extreme temps for August and September. Obviously Texas wins. Florida's "temps" never been above 100 in September.




HOWEVER, that's not to ignore the insane real feel temp with the insane dewpoints in Florida.. It's felt like above 100° many times. I'd rather have Texas weather than Florida anyday because Texas is a bit drier on average.. Florida is disgusting.... and boring I might add.

[mikelizard860]

Originally Posted by Cambium

HOWEVER, that's not to ignore the insane real feel temp with the insane dewpoints in Florida.. It's felt like above 100° many times. I'd rather have Texas weather than Florida anyday because Texas is a bit drier on average.. Florida is disgusting.... and boring I might add.

Cam did you look at the stats I posted? Texas has more extreme days of heat/humidity than florida.

Houston is every bit as humid as almost all of Florida. In some cases more humid. Look at the dewpoints. Dallas, while slightly less humid is still really humid. Look at the stats I posted showing days over 105 feel like when you combine humidity and temp. Any dewpoint over 70 is going to feel brutally muggy when combined with a temperature in the high 90s. The heat index will be over 100 and that's routine in texas.

[Cambium]

Originally Posted by mikelizard860

Cam did you look at the stats I posted? Texas has more extreme days of heat/humidity than florida.

Houston is every bit as humid as almost all of Florida. In some cases more humid. Look at the dewpoints. Dallas, while slightly less humid is still really humid. Look at the stats I posted showing days over 105 feel like when you combine humidity and temp. Any dewpoint over 70 is going to feel brutally muggy when combined with a temperature in the high 90s. The heat index will be over 100 and that's routine in texas.

I believe we are agreeing with each other but using different parameters. Apparent temp and Mugginess are different.

I'm not familiar with that site so not sure where they get the info from and I'm not aware of NWS or NCDC officially keeping track of apparent temps so not sure how they came about that.

BUT.. I wonder if Texas real feel has hotter moments because Florida's actual temps aren't as hot.

Meaning.. 80s in Florida with higher dewpoints than Texas is cooler than Texas higher temps and lower dewpoints. Making Texas having hotter apparent temps.

So essentially "feeling" a bit drier on average in Texas but hotter.

Texas is huge so hard to compare to CT or Florida.

Here's the mean dewpoints for July. While some areas of Texas get very muggy, Florida takes the win.

Texas is hotter...but not as muggy. Coastal CT & Valley same as central Texas.

[mikelizard860]

Originally Posted by Cambium

So essentially "feeling" a bit drier on average in Texas but hotter.

Texas is huge so hard to compare to CT or Florida.

Here's the mean dewpoints for July. While some areas of Texas get very muggy, Florida takes the win.

Texas is hotter...but not as muggy. Coastal CT & Valley same as central Texas.

Great picture.... Yes, agreed big difference between western and eastern texas when it comes to humidity. Dallas/houston are very humid. It's dry in the west, but almost all the big population centers are in the east

Houston is every bit as humid as much of Florida as can be seen in the picture you posted! So just imagine that with MUCH hotter temps over florida.

[FutureTown]

Cam, could you possibly share a picture or link me to the sources of mugginess for Australia? I'm curious how the coastal areas such as Melbourne and Sydney compare to that of Florida and Texas in the United States.

[Cambium]

Originally Posted by mikelizard860

Houston is every bit as humid as much of Florida as can be seen in the picture you posted! So just imagine that with MUCH hotter temps over florida.

Good point for those areas of Texas but still seems like coverage is more in Florida on average.

I'm sure we can find days like today where its muggier there than Florida. Check out the 70 dewpoints in Texas vs 60s in Florida. Just the way the flow is today. Could change this weekend.

Mesonet | Dewpoint

Originally Posted by FutureTown

Cam, could you possibly share a picture or link me to the sources of mugginess for Australia? I'm curious how the coastal areas such as Melbourne and Sydney compare to that of Florida and Texas in the United States.

Sorry, just U.S and it's from a paid program.