[Cambium]

Originally Posted by jp03

I still cant get over that with water temps well in the 50's (over 60 in Atlantic City!) you can still get snow right to the coast. Amazing

Warm AMO(Atlantic)= more moisture..Some people forget that. And snow doesnt fall from the ground...if the air is cold enough at 5000 feet+ it will fall. The harder it falls the easier it will stick. Some people forget that. It can snow in June even with the sun high in the sky.

But I do believe people will finally eliminate the word "can't" from the equation when talking about weather.... Anything can happen.

Oh...and did I forget to mention that temps went from 40 to 33 when it started snowing? Snow cools the column of air and temps drop. :-)

[Cambium]

25?? I wonder if we broke any minimum temps this morning.

[Cambium]

...2011 is now the third wettest year on record for central park...

From january 1 through october 29...65.75 inches of precipitation
has fallen at central park. This makes 2011 the third wettest year
on record. The previous third wettest year amount was 65.11 inches
in 1989. Records date back to 1869.

This amount is 24.10 inches above normal for the year to this date.


The wettest year on record was 1983 with 80.56 inches of
precipitation.

[jp03]

Originally Posted by Cambium

Warm AMO(Atlantic)= more moisture..Some people forget that. And snow doesnt fall from the ground...if the air is cold enough at 5000 feet+ it will fall. The harder it falls the easier it will stick. Some people forget that. It can snow in June even with the sun high in the sky.

But I do believe people will finally eliminate the word "can't" from the equation when talking about weather.... Anything can happen.

Oh...and did I forget to mention that temps went from 40 to 33 when it started snowing? Snow cools the column of air and temps drop. :-)

Thanks man..I kinda was hoping one of "warmer" weather advocates would respond because according to them as you said this CAN'T happen

But look at that..it unfortunately did happen.

[7 Wishes]

Originally Posted by Cambium

...2011 is now the third wettest year on record for central park...

From january 1 through october 29...65.75 inches of precipitation
has fallen at central park. This makes 2011 the third wettest year
on record. The previous third wettest year amount was 65.11 inches
in 1989. Records date back to 1869.

This amount is 24.10 inches above normal for the year to this date.


The wettest year on record was 1983 with 80.56 inches of
precipitation.

Told you, this year is going to end up #2 (only need 2 more inches and some rain (albeit small) predicted both tomorrow and Friday. I think we may even top 70" when all is said and done but I doubt 80").

As for the 25-deg. it would likely (if it's Bridgeport-Sikorsky) be a record for October as a month. But the Weather Channel tends to "extrapolate", I've noticed on TV they almost always show a reading for me that is halfway between the Central Park and Westchester Airport/White Plains temp. At 7am this morning they showed 31 for Sikorsky Airport.

If you're curious, lowest Central Park got Saturday and yesterday was 33 (low there this morning 37), both days were 2 above the record for the date (31, achieved during the 1925 snowfall). Crazy thing is if somehow (which has happened before) they don't get a subfreezing temperature in November it skews the averages for date of first frost vs. the suburban stations that already got one.

[Arm&Hammer]

Originally Posted by Cambium

...2011 is now the third wettest year on record for central park...

From january 1 through october 29...65.75 inches of precipitation
has fallen at central park. This makes 2011 the third wettest year
on record. The previous third wettest year amount was 65.11 inches
in 1989. Records date back to 1869.

This amount is 24.10 inches above normal for the year to this date.


The wettest year on record was 1983 with 80.56 inches of
precipitation.

Maybe to the second or first place, beacause we got two more months to go!

[K2000kid]

Is there any truth to all the weather lore about bee's nesting near the ground and early snowfall indicating an unusually mild/short winter? all the old timers seem to think we won't get much in the way of snow.

[7 Wishes]

Originally Posted by K2000kid

Is there any truth to all the weather lore about bee's nesting near the ground and early snowfall indicating an unusually mild/short winter? all the old timers seem to think we won't get much in the way of snow.

There is a saying "if there's ice in November that will bear a duck, there'll be nothing thereafter but sludge and muck" which is supposed to mean what you're saying about early snowfall indicating a mild/short winter.

I looked at the NWS OKX site, which has Central Park snowfall data (NYC Central Park Monthly Snowfall) and the years that had sticking snowfall in Oct. (1876, 1925 and 1952) show some interesting stuff. 1876 ended up "above normal" (40"), 1925 "about normal" (32") and 1952 "below normal" (15"). So on that can't tell....


I also looked at 1962 (T at CPK but measurable at LaGuardia and Kennedy), "below normal" (16"), 1979 (almost everywhere but NYC itself got sticking snow), very "below normal" (12"), and 1987 (sticking snow in most of Fairfield and the upper 2/3 of Westchester), again "below normal" (19").

So maybe there is something to the saying...... Just to add one more, 1989 (the Thanksgiving snowstorm) was a "below normal" year too (13")

[7 Wishes]

And then there's this:

Does an October Snowstorm Mean a Bad Winter's on the Way? (http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/57141/october-snowstorm.asp - broken link)

[jp03]

Originally Posted by 7 Wishes

And then there's this:

Does an October Snowstorm Mean a Bad Winter's on the Way? (http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/57141/october-snowstorm.asp - broken link)

Lets do a poll to see who is closest to picking the next snowfall..we will use Bridgeport..1 inch or more.

I say December 16th....