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Old 12-31-2010, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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H areow so?
1.People purchase based on heavy Ipod marketing not objectivey. They are to be blamed for Ipod success.

2. There are two types of music players: Ipods and everthing else. The difference between Fords and Chevys is in the noise compare the differences between Ipods and everything else. Fords and Chevys are pretty much the same.

3. Ipods only play MP3 and you have to use itunes. Everything else plays pretty much everything and you can use any program you want. Most music players are plug and play to any pc and you can easily move music around-no resync issues.
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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1.People purchase based on heavy Ipod marketing not objectivey. They are to be blamed for Ipod success.

2. There are two types of music players: Ipods and everthing else. The difference between Fords and Chevys is in the noise compare the differences between Ipods and everything else. Fords and Chevys are pretty much the same.

3. Ipods only play MP3 and you have to use itunes. Everything else plays pretty much everything and you can use any program you want. Most music players are plug and play to any pc and you can easily move music around-no resync issues.
1. If course it's so. That's why I said that no gadget producer, nor the buyer, can be blamed for the success or failure of one or the other. In the case of the producer, how can you blame the producer if he is or isn't selling you his product? He is not putting a gun on your head and making you buy his product. Is he?

2. There are several music players, and the iPod is one of them. Those that don't sell, regardless of how good or bad any of us may think it is, usually pulls out of the market if it can't compete with the rest. There are other devices that do a lot of things. These include some iPods, and some of the others. If any of these is more successful than another on the market, how can anybody blame its producer, or even the consumer? There are all kings of brands: Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Honda, and so forth, all which build trucks, cars, etc., we still favor one to another, and argue about it all day and night.

3. All iPods play music, and so the others. What one hears is not the music format, but the music itself in the form of a sound. Some iPods, and so some of the other devices, also playback video and photos, some can be used to type documents, to text, to print, to surf the net, to check e-mail, and so forth.

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Old 01-01-2011, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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I know iPod is preferred by the mass majority. However, I have had my Zune for 3.5 years with zero issues. Before it I had an iPod, but found the Zune to be more user friendly and much more durable. I also like on the Zune how you can put two players next to each other and share music (cordless) and the iPod does not offer that. So I guess I am wondering if the only reason iPod is so popular is because of Apple's mega advertising? Or perhaps it's cult-like following? Microsoft never really promotes the Zune but I think if they did and if people would give it a chance it could take over the market. Any thoughts?
Although the Zune is a pretty decent music player, Apple had a 5-year headstart when it came to marketing and refinement. For instance, many automakers offer "iPod-integration" (docks, cables, etc.) as either an option or standard equipment. For the Zune, there are only aftermarket options if you want to use it in a vehicle. For use in the home, companies like Sony, Bose, Altec Lansing (http://www.alteclansing.com/ae/us/ipod-iphone-speakers/icat/ipodiphonespeakers/ - broken link), Panasonic, iHome, and several others offer numerous products and accessories for the iPod. For the Zune, there are fewer accessories and fewer companies offering them.

In addition, Apple's ever-growing, world-wide network of Apple Stores, has helped to increase the "mindshare" of the iPod and other Apple products. Microsoft's retail stores, on the other hand, look like a weak, "me-too" effort. The Zunes are in the Microsoft Store, lost among the offerings from HP, Acer, Dell, Lenovo, and Sony.

From the iPod shuffle to the iPhone and iPad, Apple has made the most of its marketing advantage, while Microsoft has been "asleep at the wheel" with the Zune, Windows Phone 7, and "tablet" computer. Microsoft's main problem is that it's a software company that doesn't know how to market consumer electronics, while Apple mainly is a "marketing company" that happens to sell computers, software, and consumer electronics. Apparently, John Sculley's decade at Apple wasn't entirely for naught.
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Old 01-01-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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The value in the iPod isn't solely in the device itself. If that were the case it would never have become as successful as it has been. The value perceived by consumers is in the entire ecosystem surrounding the device: iTunes, iTunes store, apps, automobile integration as mentioned in the post above, all of the third-party consumer electronic devices that support it such as docks, boom boxes, clock radios, etc. Whatever decision you make should be based on the value you place on the entire ecosystem surrounding the device, not just on the device itself. For instance, the convenience and selection of music available for purchase through the iTunes store may trump all other factors for many people.

I'll also note that those who argue most passionately for one platform vs another are usually those least informed and least qualified to make such an argument

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3. Ipods only play MP3
Wrong. See above.
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Old 01-02-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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ive had both and prefer the zune. why, because the zune music software is a million times better than itunes, easier to organize etc.
the UI on my 120gb zune was also better than the ipod alternative at the time. and it was cheaper.
i have an ipod touch that i will sell because it is 8gb and useless to me at that size. i have not tried the zune HD but hear its good.
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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I've been using the same Zune30 (original battery and all) every work day since I got it (for free) in March 2007. The only hiccup on it was a leap year issue. Oh boy, a single day without use of my Zune. Not that big a deal.

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Ah, who am I kidding. My face was stuck like: for fear it was actually broke-broke.
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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ITunes might actually be the worst software currently in mass market use.
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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ITunes might actually be the worst software currently in mass market use.
Lotus Notes is worse. We're stuck with it at work.
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Old 01-03-2011, 05:12 PM
 
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3. Ipods only play MP3 and you have to use itunes. Everything else plays pretty much everything and you can use any program you want. Most music players are plug and play to any pc and you can easily move music around-no resync issues.
Every player plays MP3s. It's not at all true that "Everything else plays pretty much everything".

I have a Sansa and an iPod. The Sansa plays WMAs and MP3s and can't play AACs. The iPod plays AACs and MP3s and can't play WMAs. The only way to ensure compatibility with every player is to use MP3.

As for programs, I've used MediaMonkey and Winamp to sync my iPod. At other times I've used my iPod to transfer music from computer to computer with no resync issues. You just have to disable automatic sync.

The Sansa I have can also be connected and used as if it were just a flash drive (gets a drive letter), but this is by no means universal in non-iPod players. Zunes and some Sonys do not support this natively either. Every player is different and has different limitations.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Every player plays MP3s. It's not at all true that "Everything else plays pretty much everything".

I have a Sansa and an iPod. The Sansa plays WMAs and MP3s and can't play AACs. The iPod plays AACs and MP3s and can't play WMAs. The only way to ensure compatibility with every player is to use MP3.

As for programs, I've used MediaMonkey and Winamp to sync my iPod. At other times I've used my iPod to transfer music from computer to computer with no resync issues. You just have to disable automatic sync.

The Sansa I have can also be connected and used as if it were just a flash drive (gets a drive letter), but this is by no means universal in non-iPod players. Zunes and some Sonys do not support this natively either. Every player is different and has different limitations.
I lot of people have certain erroneous ideas on their minds about the iPod, Zune, etc., and there is no way they will change their minds
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