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Old 04-29-2020, 03:19 PM
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i guess FLAC ?
with storage and transfer rates being measured in Gb these days (instead of Mb), whats the point of .mp3 ?
Duh. There is no point to compressed formats.

Beethoven's 9th Symphony (Karl Böhm and the Wiener Philharmoniker) is 375 MBytes in FLAC format.
So, 1000 copies would occupy 375 Gbytes on your disk.
If you have 3000 albums, then you can afford a 1TB drive.
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Old 04-29-2020, 03:27 PM
 
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Well, I define "audiophile quality" as a term of marketeering.


Let's not lose sight of the fact that OP is looking for a stereo amp < $200 and apparently also wants to buy brand new speakers for <$200.
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Old 04-29-2020, 05:10 PM
 
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I always thought Monster cables were pure snake-oil salesmanship.

For starters they have better shielding which may or may not be important for your circumstances. On the flip side I have used the cheapest RCA cables you could possibly have to hook up component on a TV that have worked fine...
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Old 04-30-2020, 10:17 AM
 
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For starters they have better shielding which may or may not be important for your circumstances. On the flip side I have used the cheapest RCA cables you could possibly have to hook up component on a TV that have worked fine...
How do you know the shielding's better? Have you tested? You do realize we're not talking about RF here?
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Old 05-01-2020, 08:44 AM
 
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Audiophile quality begins at a standard CD recording, which is better than any typical compressed format. For compressed, you need a lossless compression. With a good system, a quality CD master is just fine.



Some people have sensitive hearing and can hear the nuances of a recording where other people can't. I'm one of those people, though my sensitivity has decreased with age, I can no longer reliably hear above 15-16kHz or so, but I can tell the difference between distortion levels between audiophile and "consumer" grade gear. Home theaters receivers have really slipped in this regard, measured THD is usually between .10 or .08. That's a far cry from the "stereo" receivers back in the day or a separates system that are usually rated at .001 THD or better.


I have a small collection of Super Audio CDs and DSD files on my media server, that's as high res as it gets, but for the vast majority of people, it's overkill. It also never really caught on, so it's also pretty expensive. Even I prefer the sound from a standard CD recording sometimes vs the DSD version, as it can sound a bit less clinical and "warmer" which is the same reason some people prefer analog/vinyl over CD as well.


For me, the minimum standard for enjoyable listening is FLAC, as that's what I play in the car. At home, sometimes it just depends on the recording.
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Old 05-01-2020, 10:00 AM
 
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How do you know the shielding's better? Have you tested? You do realize we're not talking about RF here?

Shielding is important for analog video. There is a reason analog video over S-video is better than RCA(composite) and component is better than S-video. RCA has one channel, S-Video two and component three. By breaking the signal into different channels you prevent crosstalk between them.

Same thing applies to interference from external sources like RF. Interference may not even be noticeable unless you were doing side by side comparison.

I used to do lot of analog to digital video conversions so a side by side comparison becomes quite easy. While the difference between crap RCA cables, good RCA cables and S-video was minor it was present. When you are trying to do high quality conversion every little bit is important, it's the cumulative affect of everything in the chain that produces great transfer.

Can the average person justify buying the best Monster cable or equivalent product? Probably not. As I noted in my previous post I have used the cheapest RCA(composite) cable that was prepackaged with VCR or whatever for component video cable. Note it was only 2 or 3 foot cable. It worked well enough.
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Old 05-01-2020, 02:30 PM
 
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I had a friend who built a room in his house for his listening pleasure. Super solid construction, raised floor, neutral acoustics... but wait, there's more. He had a JBL Citation series pre-amp and amp, JBL speakers and a Nakamichi Dragon turntable for which he bought a separate tone arm and a separate cartridge. This was back in early 80s. It was a pure stereo setup; two speakers.

He had some albums he played which blew my mind. One was a "sonic hologram" where someone was beating a wood block. The sound of that block started in front of me, moved around to my right and stopped dead behind me for a moment, then continued around to complete the circle. Nothing was moving, but it appeared the sound was moving. He also had a live 2-mic (stereo) recording of a jazz band in a nightclub. You could place each instrument on stage, this there and that there, but most impressively, you could occasionally hear a cash register ringing offstage to the left.

His system and albums preserved the phase relationship between the various sounds. Our brains localize sound by analyzing the very small difference in time that a sound reaches one ear vs the other. That's how we know there's a hungry bear right there, for example. In my opinion, recorded sound should preserve this timing, (the phase of the sounds) in order to called "audiophile." To my knowledge, there are no digital recordings capable of preserving the phase. SACD is recorded in surround sound, which approximates localization, but does not come close to the stage effect I heard all those years ago. Of course, in that stereo setup, a person must sit in the "sweet spot" or a diamond-shaped area where each speaker is equidistant and the sound pattern overlaps, so it's difficult to accommodate more than 2 people, and even 2 will be cozy.

Recorded sound has evolved since those days to simplify the storage and playback of large numbers of songs. Technology has made astounding advances in things like noise and dynamic range, but some things got lost in the process. It seems most people nowadays prize convenience over sound quality, which is why higher-quality formats like SACD never caught on. There is some value to being able to carry 10,000 songs around in your pocket, but I'm still nostalgic.
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Old 05-01-2020, 07:26 PM
 
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The sound of that block started in front of me, moved around to my right and stopped dead behind me for a moment, then continued around to complete the circle. Nothing was moving, but it appeared the sound was moving.

Back in in the early 2000's I purchased what was best computer I ever had for the technology of the day. I had the best Soundblaster card and I completed the setup with Klipsch 5.1 sound system made for computers.


The door to the physical room was over my right shoulder. I was playing Morrowind and walked into room and it just happened the virtual door was positioned same as physical door. Some character came through the virtual door and started yelling or whatever.... scared the **** out of me. I stood up and spun around ready to punch someone. I still laugh about that today when I think about it.
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