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Old 09-18-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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A real brain-dead logic at work by tying our hands with horrific criminals and not executing them. With technology like DNA testing, there are very accurate ways to convict these criminals. Once conviction is achieved, the appeal process is moot and a waste of time and resources; these criminals need to be executed quickly and efficiently for the sake of society. This particular criminal sees the light and wishes to stop wasting our precious air and food....good for him and what are the Belgians waiting for? Hop to it!

I wish more criminals can do society a belated favor and ask for their own quick death. A waste of money keeping them fed and cared for. I would rather the resources go to education and other worthy social services...even animal shelters over the housing and care for harden criminals. Ridiculous liberal logic.
It's the right wing that wants to pour endless dollars into punishing criminals, and the left that favors education and prevention services.

Considering that some studies show 40% of the people on death row are wrongly convicted, killing them off quickly is far from the best answer. Defendants and prosecutors should BOTH have open access to all the resources they need to reach a just verdict.
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Old 09-18-2014, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Belgium agrees to sex offender's request for mercy killing

Interesting. The article says that this prisoner (repeated rapist and convicted murderer) felt that he was a menace to society and didn't pursue early release, but cant stand confinement anymore, so he wants to die.

I have a couple of thoughts on this. First, why don't we (Americans) allow euthanasia for our sick and dying people at their request? Hell, euthanize prisoners like this guy that would rather be dead, too. Why not?

Secondly, if Belgium has access to drugs to perform euthanasia, why are we having so much trouble getting the drugs needed for the humane lethal injection of prisoners?

Thoughts?

What a load of b.s. He gets his way by them honoring his mercy killing? If they wanted to punish him they'd have stuck him in a smaller cell.

Regarding drugs to perform euthanasia, it's not as simple as one might think. The drug delays death, causing it to be "inhumane". Sorry, when you take someone's life, not in a self defense way, but by brutal murder, rape, torture, etc, you lose the right to be treated humanely.

Family of Ohio death row inmate executed with new drug plan lawsuit after unusually long procedure | Fox News
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Old 09-18-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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Sorry, when you take someone's life, not in a self defense way, but by brutal murder, rape, torture, etc, you lose the right to be treated humanely.
The idea is that in a civilized country you NEVER lose the right to be treated humanely, because in theory the country is civilized even if you aren't. If we used your logic, lynch mobs would be perfectly OK.
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Old 09-18-2014, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The idea is that in a civilized country you NEVER lose the right to be treated humanely, because in theory the country is civilized even if you aren't. If we used your logic, lynch mobs would be perfectly OK.

That's not what I meant. My comment was regarding the use of euthanasia drugs, that's why I included the link about the inmate, not about everyone grabbing their torches and pitchforks.
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Belgium agrees to sex offender's request for mercy killing

Interesting. The article says that this prisoner (repeated rapist and convicted murderer) felt that he was a menace to society and didn't pursue early release, but cant stand confinement anymore, so he wants to die.

I have a couple of thoughts on this. First, why don't we (Americans) allow euthanasia for our sick and dying people at their request? Hell, euthanize prisoners like this guy that would rather be dead, too. Why not?

Secondly, if Belgium has access to drugs to perform euthanasia, why are we having so much trouble getting the drugs needed for the humane lethal injection of prisoners?

Thoughts?
Um, I think that the death penalty should be used more for sex offenders than killers. Killers often commit their crime as a spur of the moment thing but are otherwise relatively sane people. Violent sex offenders are defective creatures with no chance at being anything but a predator. While anyone who harms another person deserves to be locked up, I believe that defective ones should simply be erased.

How many times do you hear about a horrible rape/murder and then realize that the offender was someone who had been in prison for some kind of sex offense prior to that. The case of John Albert Gardner is a PERFECT example of why violent sex offenders should be erased the moment they are convicted.
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Old 09-18-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Um, I think that the death penalty should be used more for sex offenders than killers. Killers often commit their crime as a spur of the moment thing but are otherwise relatively sane people. Violent sex offenders are defective creatures with no chance at being anything but a predator. While anyone who harms another person deserves to be locked up, I believe that defective ones should simply be erased.

How many times do you hear about a horrible rape/murder and then realize that the offender was someone who had been in prison for some kind of sex offense prior to that. The case of John Albert Gardner is a PERFECT example of why violent sex offenders should be erased the moment they are convicted.
Huh? You mean to tell me David Berkowitz, Charles Manson and Jeffery Dahmer were NOT defective?
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Glasgow, UK
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Why keep him alive just out of spite? Just kill him and be done with it, and everyone involved will be happy.
I don't think that he should be kept alive out of spite. But if anyone were to be excluded from the right to die, it would be certain types of criminal, in order that they may be fully punished.

The rest of us are fully punished just for being born.
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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Huh? You mean to tell me David Berkowitz, Charles Manson and Jeffery Dahmer were NOT defective?
I don't think HYI was talking about serial killers. More like some dope head that shoots someone in the middle of a robbery.
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Old 09-18-2014, 02:12 PM
 
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Um, I think that the death penalty should be used more for sex offenders than killers. Killers often commit their crime as a spur of the moment thing but are otherwise relatively sane people. Violent sex offenders are defective creatures with no chance at being anything but a predator. While anyone who harms another person deserves to be locked up, I believe that defective ones should simply be erased.

How many times do you hear about a horrible rape/murder and then realize that the offender was someone who had been in prison for some kind of sex offense prior to that. The case of John Albert Gardner is a PERFECT example of why violent sex offenders should be erased the moment they are convicted.
New research indicates that sex offenders have some of the lowest recidivism rates out there. So, if your goal is to stop the behavior from occurring again you would have better success with executing car thieves.
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Old 09-18-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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New research indicates that sex offenders have some of the lowest recidivism rates out there. So, if your goal is to stop the behavior from occurring again you would have better success with executing car thieves.
I would like proof about your claim. I have only read that sex offenders recidivism rate is very high.
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