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That's just it. The proper precautions were not taken.
Even so, I doubt the nurses were hugging and kissing the guy yet they still caught it during the ~2 hour they were around him (assuming 12 hour shift and the time they probably spend treating others or doing other things). This seems to indicate that's it's pretty easy to spread.
1) We have no idea why the 2nd nurse flew (family emergency, etc), and we have no idea if she had the consent of the monitoring team, we just have conjecture.
2) We have no idea the physical condition of nurse 1 or 2. The reason for the transfer may well be due to differences in medical condition. We don't know.
Ummm... no it's not. Cleveland and Akron are 31 miles apart. Pittsburgh and Akron are 110 miles apart.
You misread. I was talking about the distance of Cleveland and Akron from Pittsburgh, not from each other. I live in Pittsburgh. Akron is closer to Pittsburgh than Cleveland is to Pittsburgh.
Even so, I doubt the nurses were hugging and kissing the guy yet they still caught it during the ~2 hour they were around him (assuming 12 hour shift and the time they probably spend treating others or doing other things). This seems to indicate that's it's pretty easy to spread.
But, again, they were not using precautions specified for a Level 4 biohazard. At the very least the hospital should have been equipped for a Level 3 biohazard, which they have probably had there in the past, Rabies, West Nile, SARS, etc., but looking at the equipment they were using, they did not even meet Level 3 requirements.
Maybe if those two nurses had been overcautious they would not now be very sick. Tell me, what is the harm in being absolutely paranoid about this contagion? Everytime someone comes down with it their entire block is thrown into turmoil. Their apartment complex has to be vacated and their unit decontaminated to the tune of $100K. How long till this starts to have an effect on the treasury? Then there is the cost of their hospitalization at American health care rates. It won't take many cases at $500K to $1M each to flatline state budgets.
EXACTLY!! Sometimes it's WORTH IT to be overcautious!! You don't get into an accident every time you drive but you still wear your seatbelt every time, right? Here you're dealing with something that has potential to be devastating if it gets out of hand - and all you lose by taking some EXTRA, yes maybe even unnecessary precautions, is some money and some people being disgruntled because they have to cancel a flight. This, as opposed to a disease outbreak that may cost many lives and billions of dollars! Does that not make sense?? It's like they're afraid of taking a single action, I don't get it!
You know what? We don't know that. We don't really know anything at all anymore for certain. About all that can be said is that long distance aerosol transmission is unlikely. I just don't understand how, after all that you must have seen and heard in the last couple of weeks that you can still be glibly handing out this kind of misinformation! Maybe if those two nurses had been overcautious they would not now be very sick. Tell me, what is the harm in being absolutely paranoid about this contagion? Everytime someone comes down with it their entire block is thrown into turmoil. Their apartment complex has to be vacated and their unit decontaminated to the tune of $100K. How long till this starts to have an effect on the treasury? Then there is the cost of their hospitalization at American health care rates. It won't take many cases at $500K to $1M each to flatline state budgets.
The current cases do nothing to change the evidence about the way Ebola is transmitted. Both nurses had close contact with a very sick Ebola patient. One was involved with his hemodialysis.
There are other conditions that are very expensive to treat, including extreme prematurity.
Both nurses are employed. It's their insurance companies that will be paying for their care.
Paranoia is not helpful. Hospitals knowing what to do will be.
I don't know if you are male or female, but haven't you ever been to a bathroom where someone "missed" and left a few droplets on a toilet? A person who is a little preoccupied may not notice and sit down.... Boom: bodily fluid contact!
"If you sprinkle when you tinkle,
Be a sweetie and wipe the seatie."
Even so, I doubt the nurses were hugging and kissing the guy yet they still caught it during the ~2 hour they were around him (assuming 12 hour shift and the time they probably spend treating others or doing other things). This seems to indicate that's it's pretty easy to spread.
In all seriousness, I've read that in these West African "hot spots," the hugging and kissing of the newly dead is a big part of the problem.
Like I said upthread, if anyone from that plane gets sick, all bets are off. This is a highly unfortunate, but yet perfect, way to experimentally test whether the virus can be transmitted by someone who is showing a low-grade fever (and is one day away from testing positive). They've probably never had such a perfect case study with one identifiable patient in an enclosed space before.
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