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Old 09-29-2014, 03:02 PM
 
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Fulltime student, two jobs--I still volunteer ~10 hours a month. I know a lot of people up here in "young idealist Obamacrat" land who have regular volunteer positions.

Is the lack of volunteerism split down party lines, by the way? Are liberals volunteering less than conservatives? I doubt it. Volunteering isn't--or shouldn't be--a partisan issue.
It has been proven that the right is much more generous with their charity than the left. That is beyond debate. Yes, that goes against what the White House and the media want everyone to believe.

Religious folks give huge chunks of time and money to the needy.

So, I agree, it shouldn't be a partisan issue but that is what the left is using as a dishonest arrow in their quiver. It's working. Unfortunately. But hey, they have been winning elections with it so that's good enough for them.
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Old 09-29-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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I volunteered full time for 10 months through a government program called AmeriCorps when I was 19. The experience changed my life, and while I cannot say every project we had a hand in could be considered "taxpayer worthy", it helped pay for education that put me on a path to get a skilled job I otherwise would probably not have.

But now I have a family, a house to maintain, and sporadic overtime which makes volunteering more difficult than it once was.

I believe mandatory community service/service learning programs for young people can make a real difference for communities for a multitude of reasons.
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Old 09-29-2014, 03:09 PM
 
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It has been proven that the right is much more generous with their charity than the left. That is beyond debate. Yes, that goes against what the White House and the media want everyone to believe.

Religious folks give huge chunks of time and money to the needy.

So, I agree, it shouldn't be a partisan issue but that is what the left is using as a dishonest arrow in their quiver. It's working. Unfortunately. But hey, they have been winning elections with it so that's good enough for them.
I hate to tell you this but the first partisan post came from a conservative. The second partisan post came from you. So, who's using the dishonest arrow here?
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Old 09-29-2014, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If we're measuring partisan d*cks this thread is already over. I've worked besides all kinds of people and this crap doesn't even make the list of things to worry about when working towards a common goal.
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Old 09-29-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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I hate to tell you this but the first partisan post came from a conservative. The second partisan post came from you. So, who's using the dishonest arrow here?
what the heck does "first" or "2nd" post matter.

Dishonest? I just presented you with facts. Feel free to dispute it with facts. Don't worry, I know how this ends. See you later.
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Old 09-29-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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It has been proven that the right is much more generous with their charity than the left. That is beyond debate. Yes, that goes against what the White House and the media want everyone to believe.
Your attempt to shut down this discussion notwithstanding, it is most certainly not beyond debate.
http://www.michelemargolis.com/uploads/2/0/2/0/20207607/pe_charitable_giving.pdf

Even the American Conservative admits it is not true.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-giving-gap-is-not-ideological-its-theological/

The unpleasant (for you) facts above make obvious the motive behind your urgent desire to shut down the discussion of this issue.

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On a side note, I don't live in an America in decline.

The America in which I live is the same America that has been around for over two centuries. It changes, yes. There is sometimes a step backwards for every two or three steps forward, yes. But in decline? No. Certainly not.

The problem is that a great many people, wedded to the past, disliking the present because it is not the past, and utterly terrified of the future because it promises to be even more unlike the past they treasure, mistake their own subjective preferences for an objective assessment of decline.

I buy into none of that self-absorbed nonsense.
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Old 09-29-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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what the heck does "first" or "2nd" post matter.

Dishonest? I just presented you with facts. Feel free to dispute it with facts. Don't worry, I know how this ends. See you later.
You presented your opinion, nothing more. This is a thread about volunteering, not politics. Stay on topic.
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Old 09-29-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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Your attempt to shut down this discussion notwithstanding, it is most certainly not beyond debate.
http://www.michelemargolis.com/uploads/2/0/2/0/20207607/pe_charitable_giving.pdf

Even the American Conservative admits it is not true.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-giving-gap-is-not-ideological-its-theological/

The unpleasant (for you) facts above make obvious the motive behind your urgent desire to shut down the discussion of this issue.

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Certainly spin in there. I could show you tons of info showing the opposite. Not only just recently but historically. Particularly with the Obama, Biden and Kerry and their measly history donations. Of course, 2012 Obama beefed his up just for political gain.

Sorry but liberals are simply more generous with other peoples money.

My whole point here, which everyone should start agreeing with, is that this administration is sending the wrong message to our citizens and demonizing the successful. It's working on the uninformed.

/rant.
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Old 09-29-2014, 04:06 PM
 
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Me personally, between working 42 hours a week, half-time in grad school, having a social life, and needing to rest once in a while, I just don't have the time or energy.
Your the poster who got a 100% free ride through college thanks to people who donated money to scholarships for kids who came from underprivileged backgrounds.

Ever hear of paying it forward? Cut back a few hours a month on your social life and give back.

As Maya Angelou said " you can't go through life with a catcher's mitt on, sometimes you have to throw something back".
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Old 09-29-2014, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
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Your the poster who got a 100% free ride through college thanks to people who donated money to scholarships for kids who came from underprivileged backgrounds.

Ever hear of paying it forward? Cut back a few hours a month on your social life and give back.

As Maya Angelou said " you can't go through life with a catcher's mitt on, sometimes you have to throw something back".
Free ride? That is news to me. I have student loans like most of Gen Y does. Plus I donate money to causes I feel merit it. Just as good as time.
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