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Have you been to an airport in the USA recently? I have... it wasnt very free.. but it was quite safe.
That's actually another logical fallacy. Again, there's this implication that prior to the new airport laws, people were routinely being massacred at airports. Similar to gun laws, that's quite false. In fact, the new airport laws are essentially useless and just for show. Like gun laws, they placate people such as yourself, who willingly throw away your freedom for a false promise of security. And that would be fine if it only affected you, but it affects all the rest of us, too.
By the way, in case some people still don't understand what I mean, let me make it more simple for you. There's a 99.9% chance that your local school has never had a school shooting occur in it before. But gun control people want you to believe that if they pass a gun law and no shootings continue to occur, that's because of the new law. And then if they pass the gun law and a shooting DOES occur, none of them say "well, clearly this gun law was useless." No, they say "we need even MORE gun laws!"
The sheer numbers of an armed populace is what makes it such a force to be reckoned with. An army might have 500k troops, but going up against 100 million pissed off, unified, and armed people with home field advantage... they are going to get trounced. Panzer tanks or not.
FYI - panzers are bulletproof. They'll just drive over you... your funeral. Especially if there isnt any gun control...
FYI - panzers are bulletproof. They'll just drive over you... your funeral. Especially if there isnt any gun control...
That's another argument people like to make, "what good are your guns going to make against tanks?" Um, last time I checked a) tanks weren't the majority of any combat force and b) you can kill the troops when they exit the tank. Next argument?
Listen man, getting mad at guns for killing people is like getting mad at spoons for making people fat. The common denominator is PEOPLE. A couple days after Newton some dude in China committed a mass killing with a knife. Stabbed like 30 people, a bunch died. In the 1930's some dude blew up a school with a homemade bomb, killed dozens of little kids.
If the person wants to murder, they are going to do it. Look at the mental health of the population for the solution.
No, this is not the simple solution. Sure we need to look at the mental health, but come on, there are bad people everywhere. The key is that in many other countries, bad people don't have the means to carry out quick or mass murders because guns are difficult or impossible to obtain. Take that theater shooting in Colorado a couple years ago for example- that guy stood at the front of the theater and sprayed bullets everywhere, killing and injuring MANY people. Had he not been able to get a gun, and came in with a knife, for example- sure he could have started stabbing, but he would have to do each person one by one- and would likely be taken down long before having the chance to kill nearly as many people as he did with the gun. A gun allows someone to stand back at a safe distance and lay waste to many people easily- take that tool away and you are well on the road to at least cutting down the numbers of casualties.
And you dont think that things have massively changed since the creation of the country? Have you been to an airport in the USA recently? I have... it wasnt very free.. but it was quite safe. Have you seen what the NSA is doing spying on americans? The FBI and DHS? America is not even slightly free, it has a lot less freedoms than many european countries because of the government yet it's on because it's protecting you from terrorists... right?
You dont even condone the most basic of background checks on someone buying a firearm to ensure they do not have a history of mental illness or criminal history? A minimum of 1hr waiting period so someone cant just walk in in a rage, buy a gun and go do something stupid? We have a 28 day waiting period here.
You're saying the germans, with vastly superior forces and firepower, who rolled over europe with f**king panzer tanks wouldnt have been able to if the populace was armed?!?!
Clearly you know nothing of history...
Based on this statement, I cant see any argument you have as being even slightly sane or valid.
Btw, IBM, an american business, compiled most of those lists for the governments in question. *shrug*
At some point, a conquering army has to get *out* of their tanks. Those that *make* the lists need to buy some red-bull & cheeze-whiz. It doesn't mean your government isn't "conquered", or (more likely) taken over by extremists, but the second amendment ensures that process isn't "pain free".
American gun owners aren't all "freedom fighters", but they are all human, and even though they might not actively organize and "storm" the government to re-take it, those that load the cattle cars, compile the lists & collaborate with the enemies of freedom would most certainly have to walk amongst us & would absolutely be picked off in revenge by the families & friends of those they betrayed. The second amendment doesn't give Americans a guarantee of "peaceful" existence, it gives extremists a guarantee of a painful existence. Those that would march innocents to open pits & slaughter them might just come home to find their own families stacked like cordwood.
It isn't about bald/fat/old/white "gun nuts" taking on apache helicopters with AR-15's, it's about little kids & grandmas having the ability to poke a few holes in those who are "just doing their jobs".
No, this is not the simple solution. Sure we need to look at the mental health, but come on, there are bad people everywhere. The key is that in many other countries, bad people don't have the means to carry out quick or mass murders because guns are difficult or impossible to obtain. Take that theater shooting in Colorado a couple years ago for example- that guy stood at the front of the theater and sprayed bullets everywhere, killing and injuring MANY people. Had he not been able to get a gun, and came in with a knife, for example- sure he could have started stabbing, but he would have to do each person one by one- and would likely be taken down long before having the chance to kill nearly as many people as he did with the gun. A gun allows someone to stand back at a safe distance and lay waste to many people easily- take that tool away and you are well on the road to at least cutting down the numbers of casualties.
The guy at the theatre in Colorado was actually quite intelligent, and planned his crime for a very long time. - he was *not* someone you could "deter" with a simple change in laws. how many "booby traps" were in his apartment? He could (and would!) have murdered lots of people with bombs if firearms weren't available.
Total disarmament *isn't* on the table, not gonna fly, not an option with that pesky constitution we have hanging around.
So what other "effective" options do you have on the table?
Making murder "illegal" hasn't worked.
None of the laws proposed or passed in the past 40+ years have worked.
California, New York & Illinois have passed all of the gun-grabber's "dream" laws without a measurable effect.
So what new laws are you proposing that fit within the confines of our constitution?
OMG. My school is in lockdown. Heavy police presence. Shelter in place, turn off lights, phones. NOT A DRILL.
So you're so terrified that you're posting on City Data? What's next, a selfie on Instagram?
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