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China needs to grow up and recognize that Hong Kong is better Independent and free from communist tyranny!
And do you have the manpower, planes, and tanks to stop them? I know in today's world it's easy to just sit there shoot off blogs and youtube vids but in the old world those who controls the army takes controls of that area. I'm sure you played Command and Conquer PC game to know that.
We should be glad in today's world, things are handled much more peacefully without human loss than the old days.
Do you really want to see China kill off HKers that oppose them?
Smarter HK folks already left the area. You are free to leave and that's one of the beauty of the modern day is the freedom to get up and leave.
And do you have the manpower, planes, and tanks to stop them? I know in today's world it's easy to just sit there shoot off blogs and youtube vids but in the old world those who controls the army takes controls of that area. I'm sure you played Command and Conquer PC game to know that.
We should be glad in today's world, things are handled much more peacefully without human loss than the old days.
Do you really want to see China kill off HKers that oppose them?
Smarter HK folks already left the area. You are free to leave and that's one of the beauty of the modern day is the freedom to get up and leave.
In a meeting with President Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping has already accused the west of attempting to create a pro-democracy, color revolution in Hong Kong. So no, I'm not surprised that the Chinese government is blocking what would probaly start a Chinese Maidan.
And don't forget, Russia and China recently signed a full association agreement that includes regional security issues.
Even if you don't agree with the Komsomol (and I don't), you still have to respect China;s right to manage it's own internal affairs.
Causing more deaths to spread democracy is not an option in China.
In a meeting with President Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping has already accused the west of attempting to create a pro-democracy, color revolution in Hong Kong. So no, I'm not surprised that the Chinese government is blocking what would probaly start a Chinese Maidan.
And don't forget, Russia and China recently signed a full association agreement that includes regional security issues.
Even if you don't agree with the Komsomol (and I don't), you still have to respect China;s right to manage it's own internal affairs.
Causing more deaths to spread democracy is not an option in China.
In fact, causing chaos and instability in the name of democracy is a try and true way for the West to weaken its enemies or potential rivals. I hate to say it, but just look at all the countries that have received the "gift" of democracy in the recent past, like Iraq and Egypt. Have they improved at all? Why would the Chinese government allow such an insidious attempt to ruin their country?
It's completely understandable for the Chinese to take control, and those loudmouth mps from London have no business in HK or China. Britain does not rule the waves, and nobody in China cares about Britain except as a quaint and relaxing tourist destination.
In fact, causing chaos and instability in the name of democracy is a try and true way for the West to weaken its enemies or potential rivals. I hate to say it, but just look at all the countries that have received the "gift" of democracy in the recent past, like Iraq and Egypt. Have they improved at all? Why would the Chinese government allow such an insidious attempt to ruin their country?
It's completely understandable for the Chinese to take control, and those loudmouth mps from London have no business in HK or China. Britain does not rule the waves, and nobody in China cares about Britain except as a quaint and relaxing tourist destination.
Japan has done well. So has Germany as opposed to the party there between 1933-1945
Japan has done well. So has Germany as opposed to the party there between 1933-1945
Both Japan and Germany were industrial and successful countries long before they became "democratic". Democracy did not build their power. American financial and economic support after WWII through the occupation and the Marshall Plan helped to rebuild them. China has never received such support, nor did it ever ask for any. All it knows is that democracy, at least the way the West understands it, cannot work to build China into a powerful and modern country, Certainly one party dictatorship has had its many flaws and weaknesses, but you cannot deny the fact that China has grown tremendously under a one party dictatorship. Sure there were lots of mistakes, but China is here and it's growing even stronger everyday. No Chinese want their country to be like India.
Both Japan and Germany were industrial and successful countries long before they became "democratic". Democracy did not build their power. American financial and economic support after WWII through the occupation and the Marshall Plan helped to rebuild them. China has never received such support, nor did it ever ask for any. All it knows is that democracy, at least the way the West understands it, cannot work to build China into a powerful and modern country, Certainly one party dictatorship has had its many flaws and weaknesses, but you cannot deny the fact that China has grown tremendously under a one party dictatorship. Sure there were lots of mistakes, but China is here and its growing even stronger everyday. No Chinese want their country to be like India.
You are one a tangent now because you mentioned something completely different in the previous post.
This is your premise "In fact, causing chaos and instability in the name of democracy is a try and true way for the West to weaken its enemies or potential rivals." Defend it.
You are one a tangent now because you mentioned something completely different in the previous post.
This is your premise "In fact, causing chaos and instability in the name of democracy is a try and true way for the West to weaken its enemies or potential rivals." Defend it.
Indeed, back to the MPs who wish to "visit" HK to egg on those ridiculous protesters. Well, they can't. Go cry to the Queen.
Both Japan and Germany were industrial and successful countries long before they became "democratic". Democracy did not build their power. American financial and economic support after WWII through the occupation and the Marshall Plan helped to rebuild them. China has never received such support, nor did it ever ask for any. All it knows is that democracy, at least the way the West understands it, cannot work to build China into a powerful and modern country, Certainly one party dictatorship has had its many flaws and weaknesses, but you cannot deny the fact that China has grown tremendously under a one party dictatorship. Sure there were lots of mistakes, but China is here and it's growing even stronger everyday. No Chinese want their country to be like India.
Well that's not true! Hong Kongers are Chinese and many of them want a democracy, or an independent democratic state of their own, some of them want to be ruled by Britain again (But we didn't exactly give them democracy ether, and that obviously wouldn't happen anyway...)! Also, the Chinese are represt from the commie tyrants meaning that they don't get freedom of speech, if the Chinese speek out on the mainland than they would be suppressed even more, jailed or shot at! Because that is what a dictating communist state is like, and the modern world is not fit for dictators repressing freedom of speech. In essence, how do you know that the Chinese don't want a democracy, if most of them are forced to say that they like China the way it is? a?
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cry to the Queen
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