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Old 03-26-2015, 03:33 PM
 
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Sorry all, but I'm terribly behind in reading this thread.

Can you please clarify/explain:

How was it verified that it was the co-pilot, and not pilot, who left the cockpit?
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:39 PM
 
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Cockpit voice recorder. The pilot turned control over to the co-pilot prior to leaving to use the lavatory.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:39 PM
 
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I'm also afraid of flying. The logical part of my brain understands that the drive to the airport is much more dangerous, but I still break into cold sweat on taxi every time I fly. It's totally irrational. The brain is weird.
I too fear flying,although it has gotten better.

I think the fear of falling to a timely, inevitable death, is what frightens me most...IT's a fear of complete and utter helplessness...knowing that no matter how much I hold on to my oxygen mask, no matter how much I tighten my seatbelt, no matter how much I pray...the plane will continue to descend at an uncontrollable speed and will eventually hit something...and that ultimately, I (probably) will die.

It's a horrible fear and is something I would never wish on my worst enemies.

That type of fear just doesn't exist with motor vehicle collisions...

May God be with the souls of those who have perished.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:49 PM
 
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Sure hope autopsy is done on EACH pilot/co-pilot.....maybe one was put to sleep or something, prior to locking the flight deck door....how are they proving which voice was the pilot or co-pilot....maybe things were set into motion prior to ONE of them leaving the controls...maybe they were pretending to be so upset over the door being locked. Can this be proved somehow?
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:52 PM
 
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What is left to autopsy? The medical examiners will have a difficult time enough just identifying the tiny bits of remains that are recovered.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:10 PM
 
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This is why flying completely freaks me out. UGH Horrible story. I must read to catch up on it
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Altadena, CA
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Sure hope autopsy is done on EACH pilot/co-pilot.....maybe one was put to sleep or something, prior to locking the flight deck door....how are they proving which voice was the pilot or co-pilot....maybe things were set into motion prior to ONE of them leaving the controls...maybe they were pretending to be so upset over the door being locked. Can this be proved somehow?
You do realize that they will have extreme difficulty finding the co-pilot, let alone a large enough portion of his remains to do an autopsy.

The best way they can piece together this horror story is to find something in that man's home. Some clues to help investigators understand why he deliberately crashed that plane and killed 149 good, innocent people.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:28 PM
 
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Right. That caused him to lock the door?
I assumed they normally locked the door?
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Such questions are unnecessary. The plane can't normally be driven into the ground. Too many automatic safety systems prevent it. It has to be placed completely into manual operation and then flown that way.
OH, I did not realize that it was so hard to crash a plane. It is amazing there are any crashes at all.
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Are you not listening to or reading the news? They are telling you what happened. How is it you're not believing the experts? You honestly believe this guy locked the cockpit door, had a stroke & then by some weird twist of fate maneuvered the plane into a controlled descent into the mountains? You really believe he just happened to have a medical episode at the same time the pilot left to use the bathroom? Oh, don't forget he was also able to push that one button too in his stroked out state. My, what a mighty coincidence!!
I am not sure what I believe. I KNOW I do not have to make a decision on it within 48 hours because it will change nothing. What if he did not have stroke but was for some reason delusional?
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Think what you will but he had to reset the locking mechanism on the cockpit door as well. The evidence points to him being fully in control of what he was doing.

FYI - the experts have ascertained he had to perform certain acts to cause the descent to proceed as it did. i.e. operating certain lever/s
The locking seems normal to me, which is why I believe the pilot knocked lightly when he came back. So that means nothing to me at all.

I just heard on the news that he set the autopilot to 100 feet off the ground so now I believe it was intentional. I just have no reason to jump to conclusions. It changes nothing.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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OH, I did not realize that it was so hard to crash a plane. It is amazing there are any crashes at all. .
In proportion of the number of commercial flights each day, it's exceedingly low. And it's much safer now because of the sophistication of the planes, which on their own, to warn and avoid collision.
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:16 PM
 
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I assumed they normally locked the door?

OH, I did not realize that it was so hard to crash a plane. It is amazing there are any crashes at all.

I am not sure what I believe. I KNOW I do not have to make a decision on it within 48 hours because it will change nothing. What if he did not have stroke but was for some reason delusional?

The locking seems normal to me, which is why I believe the pilot knocked lightly when he came back. So that means nothing to me at all.

I just heard on the news that he set the autopilot to 100 feet off the ground so now I believe it was intentional. I just have no reason to jump to conclusions. It changes nothing.
The pilot wasn't knocking lightly....I can't imagine what he went through knowing the plane was going down and he couldn't stop it. The co pilot knew enough to reset the locking mechanism also. The only thing I have read about his background was he was depressed.
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