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Furthermore, this case is from Kentucky where CPS is familiar with grinding rural poverty and people living like they did 80-100 years ago out in the hills, not from Long Island or from Southern California. Kentucy CPS is not rounding up all the poor kids who live in shacks out in the boonies nor are they rounding up all the kids who are being home schooled or those who are from large families. There's a whole lot more to this story than is being put forward in the media or by the parents' propaganda machine.
An excellent observation. I agree with you that there is much more to the story.
I have mixed feelings about this case, but one thing we have to remember is that the media doesn't have access to all the information that the child protective agency reviewed, including interviews with the kids and maybe their grandparents.
Having said that, if the kids are happy, healthy and are attending school or home schooled in a competent manner (?), the agency should cut them a break and issue a warning. No heat, no running water and no septic concern me, though.
Mick
They are not being homeschooled, but unschooled. It's a very controversial educational movement that has children not follow a curriculum. Unschooling Movement 101 | Education.com
There is no access to basic amenities that are essential for well being...heat, running water, and not having a bathroom are non negotiable things.
They are not being homeschooled, but unschooled. It's a very controversial educational movement that has children not follow a curriculum. Unschooling Movement 101 | Education.com
There is no access to basic amenities that are essential for well being...heat, running water, and not having a bathroom are non negotiable things.
Thanks for the link. Interesting. Any kid would love that movement . . .
Is that legal in KY? Does the family have to pretend to homeschool the kids?
Its a conumdrum. On the one hand, we are encouraged to reduce our carbon footprint. On the other hand doing just that can be used as an excuse to tear apart what appears to be a happy and healthy family apparently.
If the purpose is to reduce your carbon footprint, start by not having 11+ kids. Even living this way, their carbon footprint is going to be higher than mine, since I chose to not have any children. They aren't doing this to reduce their carbon footprint.
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Furthermore, this case is from Kentucky where CPS is familiar with grinding rural poverty and people living like they did 80-100 years ago out in the hills, not from Long Island or from Southern California. Kentucy CPS is not rounding up all the poor kids who live in shacks out in the boonies nor are they rounding up all the kids who are being home schooled or those who are from large families. There's a whole lot more to this story than is being put forward in the media or by the parents' propaganda machine.
Seriously...
The only thing that surprised me about this article is that it made the news. There has to be more to it. This is actually how I picture a large part of Kentucky...and that entire region. Not the urban areas, but most everything else. This is a little worse...I usually picture trailers, not tents. I'm probably exaggerating, but the stereotype exists for a reason.
This I agree with. There is a huge difference between "Off the grid" and "third world conditions". These uneducated kids will have no chance at a job, or any sort of future; the parents are forcing their kids into a lifestyle they may not want in 10 years.
And what about the personal freedom of their kids? What if one of their kids wants to go to school and live with air conditioning and modern medical care? What if one of their older kids wants to get a job but finds they are totally unemployable because they can't get a GED?
Even the Amish educate their children and allow them the chance at the outside world before they are locked into a specific lifestyle.
The Meltiv case is a different thing altogether. In that case the parents assessed the situation (including the risks involved and their children's personal maturity) and made an informed decision. They did nothing wrong, and the authorities grossly overstepped their bounds.
I would bet you 10 to 1 that these children would rather live with their own parents in a tent, than to live with total strangers in an air conditioned building.
Thanks for the link. Interesting. Any kid would love that movement . . .
Is that legal in KY? Does the family have to pretend to homeschool the kids?
Mick
Kentucky is a haven for home schoolers, because there is no oversight other than ensuring compliance with compulsory attendance laws. Quality of instruction is not assessed.
Linda correctly pointed out above that these living conditions are not altogether unfamiliar in parts of Appalachia.
Right. This is one of the poorest regions of the USA. lots of people who are homeless, and children who are homeless living with their homeless parents, digging through dumpsters.
Linda correctly pointed out above that these living conditions are not altogether unfamiliar in parts of Appalachia.
Everyday 4000 children in the world die from illnesses brought on by lack of sanitation. Access to a clean living environment that includes running water and a toilet is something every child should have.
Just because some people live that way and have survived, does not make it right. It's 2015, not 1915.
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