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Old 05-29-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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The question is why doesn't black lives matter INCLUDE blacks killing blacks? Why does a black person being killed by police matter more than a black person being killed by another black person? Why does the killing of maybe a dozen or two blacks by police take precedence over the killing of THOUSANDS of blacks by their fellow blacks? 'Black lives matter' rings pretty hollow when you only care when police kill blacks without caring just as much if not moreso of the MASSIVE problem of black on black murder.


Maybe part of the reason why breast cancer awareness gets more attention is because its the leading cancer in the US compared to cervical or other cancers for women? In 2011 41,000 women died from breast cancer compared to 4,100 who died from cervical cancer. So it seems like people have the priority straight in putting it in the spotlight more often.

Compare that to blacks who care more about the dozen or who two die at the hands of police than they do about the THOUSANDS who die at the hands of their fellow blacks. No one is saying that police killing blacks isn't a significant issue, but it PALES in comparison to the much larger problem of black on black crime and murder, so you would think black people would give that issue more of their time and energy. But that isn't the case and we see FAR MORE coverage of every single police/black person incident than we EVER do of daily murders of blacks by other blacks.

10 blacks murdered on a summer weekend in Chicago and its simply business as usual and not one peep from blacks. 10 blacks killed in a weekend across the US by police? We'll have protests and riots around the country that would make the Baltimore protests seem like nothing. That's black logic for you. >_>
People don't protest murders by criminals because criminals are not in a position of authority. Police unfortunately not only are in that position, but the minority of police who are corrupt and who take advantage of their position taint the entire department.

Here is the perspective of a former black policeman.

I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing - Vox


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There are officers who willfully violate the human rights of the people in the communities they serve
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The bad officers corrupt the departments they work for
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About that 15 percent of officers who regularly abuse their power: a major problem is they exert an outsize influence on department culture and find support for their actions from ranking officers and police unions. Chicago is a prime example of this: the city has created a reparations fund for the hundreds of victims who were tortured by former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge and officers under his command from the 1970s to the early ‘90s.

The victims were electrically shocked, suffocated, and beaten into false confessions that resulted in many of them being convicted and serving time for crimes they didn't commit. One man, Darrell Cannon, spent 24 years in prison for a crime he confessed to but didn't commit. He confessed when officers repeatedly appeared to load a shotgun and after doing so each time put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Other men received electric shocks until they confessed.
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Old 05-29-2015, 07:35 PM
 
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It's the media.


Think who owns the media. You can't even get paid through media in the traditional formats without going through the media.


They're controlling the information that the masses see. I'm sure of this.
Interesting because the media is ignoring #sayhername which was started to include the black women who are being brutalized by the police.

Rekia Boyd is but one example

#SayHerName: How black liberation history teaches us to forget black women | Fusion

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When we name the dead in Black Lives Matter protests, the act of remembrance is an act of defiance — a refusal to let lives extinguished by police be erased. We name the dead knowing that there are too many dead to name. Some names, like Mike Brown, Eric Garner, and Freddie Gray get repeated more than others. Some names, like Rekia Boyd, Shantel Davis, Shereese Francis, Aiyana Jones, Sheneque Proctor, and Tanisha Anderson are rarely repeated, if known to protesters at all.

The fact that these are the names of black women killed by police has not been lost on Black Lives Matter activists. Last week, a series of vigils and rallies in cities nationwide gathered under the banner #SayHerName to do just that — to insist that women (including trans women) victims of racist police violence be included in that pantheon of names we refuse to let white supremacy erase. #SayHerName is doing the crucial work of highlighting the specific ways police exact violence on women of color — for example the fact that 94 percent of people arrested in New York for “loitering for the purposes of prostitution” are black women. It’s an important corrective to any narrative that suggests that male bodies are the sole site of police abuse.
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Old 05-29-2015, 08:40 PM
 
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Can you imagine the excrement that would be in the pants of the #BlackLivesMatters supporters if there was a #WhiteLivesMatter movement? That's hilarious.
My son was pulled over for going 40 mph just two days ago. He compliantly pulled over and took the ticket.

Had he led the police on a high-speed chase, or thrown the car into reverse to try to strike the officer, there may have been real fodder for a "Jewish Lives Matter" or "White Lives Matter" event. The officers may have at that point shot an unarmed white person.

I am thinking about whether to ask my colleagues and fellow temple worshipers to organize a riot, and smash up a suburban downtown area. Perhaps find some U.S. flags to urinate or defecate upon or attack policemen with vulgarities or worse. Maybe even get Sharpton or Jesse Jackson involved.
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Hmm. So 93 shot in just 2 weekends. Where is the MSM?
Were they perhaps shot by white police officers?
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Old 05-29-2015, 08:48 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The question is why doesn't black lives matter INCLUDE blacks killing blacks? Why does a black person being killed by police matter more than a black person being killed by another black person? Why does the killing of maybe a dozen or two blacks by police take precedence over the killing of THOUSANDS of blacks by their fellow blacks? 'Black lives matter' rings pretty hollow when you only care when police kill blacks without caring just as much if not moreso of the MASSIVE problem of black on black murder.

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Compare that to blacks who care more about the dozen or who two die at the hands of police than they do about the THOUSANDS who die at the hands of their fellow blacks. No one is saying that police killing blacks isn't a significant issue, but it PALES in comparison to the much larger problem of black on black crime and murder, so you would think black people would give that issue more of their time and energy. But that isn't the case and we see FAR MORE coverage of every single police/black person incident than we EVER do of daily murders of blacks by other blacks.

10 blacks murdered on a summer weekend in Chicago and its simply business as usual and not one peep from blacks. 10 blacks killed in a weekend across the US by police? We'll have protests and riots around the country that would make the Baltimore protests seem like nothing. That's black logic for you. >_>
The "blacklivesmatter" movement is all about undermining and preventing the administration of public order. They want anarchy.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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The "blacklivesmatter" movement is all about undermining and preventing the administration of public order. They want anarchy.
No, it is about police abuse of their power.

I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing - Vox

From a black former cop:

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It is not only white officers who abuse their authority. The effect of institutional racism is such that no matter what color the officer abusing the citizen is, in the vast majority of those cases of abuse that citizen will be black or brown. That is what is allowed.
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Institutional racism runs throughout our criminal justice system. Its presence in police culture, though often flatly denied by the many police apologists that appear in the media now, has been central to the breakdown in police-community relationships for decades in spite of good people doing police work.
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About that 15 percent of officers who regularly abuse their power: a major problem is they exert an outsize influence on department culture and find support for their actions from ranking officers and police unions. Chicago is a prime example of this: the city has created a reparations fund for the hundreds of victims who were tortured by former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge and officers under his command from the 1970s to the early ‘90s.

The victims were electrically shocked, suffocated, and beaten into false confessions that resulted in many of them being convicted and serving time for crimes they didn't commit. One man, Darrell Cannon, spent 24 years in prison for a crime he confessed to but didn't commit. He confessed when officers repeatedly appeared to load a shotgun and after doing so each time put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Other men received electric shocks until they confessed.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:59 PM
 
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No, it is about police abuse of their power.
So what you are saying is #blacklivesmatter is a misnomer and really should be called #blacklivesmatterifabusedbypolice
Thanks for clearing that up, because it looks like it would mean black lives matter in all cases.
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Old 05-30-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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So what you are saying is #blacklivesmatter is a misnomer and really should be called #blacklivesmatterifabusedbypolice
Thanks for clearing that up, because it looks like it would mean black lives matter in all cases.
Of course all black lives matter, but when a black person is killed by someone other than the police, there is no protest since the criminal is usually arrested and charged. You don't need to protest this.

Abuse by the police (and it is systematic and not only in one city, county or state), brings protest because we are paying the police with our tax dollars and they are supposed to be protecting and defending us not abusing us.

Once again, from a former black policeman.

I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing - Vox

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These kinds of scenes play themselves out everyday all over our country in black and brown communities. Beyond the many unarmed blacks killed by police, including recently Freddie Gray in Baltimore, other police abuses that don't result in death foment resentment, distrust, and malice toward police in black and brown communities all over the country. Long before Darren Wilson shot and killed unarmed Michael Brown last August, there was a poisonous relationship between the Ferguson, Missouri, department and the community it claimed to serve. For example, in 2009 Henry Davis was stopped unlawfully in Ferguson, taken to the police station, and brutally beaten while in handcuffs. He was then charged for bleeding on the officers' uniforms after they beat him.
The Henry Davis incident:
Police beat innocent man in handcuffs, charge him with bleeding on their uniforms - Police State USA

Note that this Henry Davis was NOT the Henry Davis the warrant was for. He missed his exit and that was his mistake.

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Ferguson Officer John Beaird arrived on the scene, handcuffed Mr. Davis, and informed him that he was under arrest because of the outstanding warrant. The trouble was, the person listed on the warrant had a different middle initial and Social Security number than the man in custody.
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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The problem with most of these arguments is you expect people to be rational. They are not.
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:38 PM
 
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The problem with most of these arguments is you expect people to be rational. They are not.
Most arguments involving race and crime never turn out rational. Anger and resentment from both parties.
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Old 05-30-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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None of this is true. The Swiss have very strict gun laws, and low gun ownership.
You are the one that is absolutely wrong on this. The Swiss have one of the highest gun ownership rates in the entire world. (Currently 4th) For men between 20 - 30 gun ownership is close to 100% due to requirements to maintain weapons at home for the Swiss militia.

Furthermore, they tried to enact tighter gun regulation in the early 2010s and the voters turned that down attempt at gun control down.
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