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I have been to that area several times in my life, With my fiancé. Another time with my mom and dad, and another time with my sister and her girlfriend. It does not seem like a bad neighborhood. But what does that mean these days? I am not sure anywhere is safe anymore.
Read previous replies, that has already been answered.
So if anyone does anything wrong to you, no matter if it caused you any slight discomfort, or if you didn't even know it happened, you can sue for monetary gain? He was a minor, he touched her on her breasts while she was sleeping, end of story. She wasn't aware it had even happened but support her now suing him? Why? You still haven't answered that.
Josh Duggar's actions qualified as Second Degree Child Sexual Assault. She should be able to sue and seek restitution for the crime he committed against her. The crime normally would carry with it a punishment of up to 6 years in jail and up to a $10,000 fine, if his parents and law enforcement had not shielded him from justice.
It does not matter if she knew it happened or not because he admitted that it did. It also does not matter how anyone feels about it because the law is reason outside of passion.
And because he also admitted to touching her while she was sleeping, it makes the crime worse because under the law she was also considered "physically helpless". The law states clearly that physically helpless includes being rendered unaware of what is happening.
Sounds like you just want to emote about it but not look at it from a rational perspective.
There is quite a difference in being gang raped and someone putting their hand on your breast. Neither is right, but there is a difference. Kind of like if I slapped you vs. unloading 15 rounds from a 45 cal at your head. See the difference?
Also, if Josh's fingers even slightly penetrated any of the girls' labia majora, he would then be considered a rapist under Arkansas law.
Because he was a minor at the time, the punishment was up to 6 yrs in jail/up to 10K fine and if he'd been an adult it would have been a harsher punishment.
Bear in mind that the law in Arkansas does cover all of this. You may believe that what he did was no big deal, but that's not how the law in Arkansas sees it, and that's all that matters.
Josh Duggar's actions qualified as Second Degree Child Sexual Assault. She should be able to sue and seek restitution for the crime he committed against her. The crime normally would carry with it a punishment of up to 6 years in jail and up to a $10,000 fine, if his parents and law enforcement had not shielded him from justice.
It does not matter if she knew it happened or not because he admitted that it did. It also does not matter how anyone feels about it because the law is reason outside of passion.
And because he also admitted to touching her while she was sleeping, it makes the crime worse because under the law she was also considered "physically helpless". The law states clearly that physically helpless includes being rendered unaware of what is happening.
Sounds like you just want to emote about it but not look at it from a rational perspective.
You seriously want to lock up every 14 year-old boy who touches a girl's breast over her clothes? SERIOUSLY?!? I taught middle school (which includes 14 year-old boys), it happens more than most parents want to admit. The normal way it was handled was that the boy got a 3-day suspension IF the girl reported it or a teacher saw it up until about 4-5 years ago. Now they might be expelled or placed in an alternative school for a semester, depending on the severity and the victim/victim's parents wishes. Quit kidding yourselves that anything worse would have happened to him. Frankly, he would have been better off had it hound through the judicial system as the records would have been sealed since he was a minor and it would have been considered a low-level offender with a high chance of rehabilitation.
The truth is we as a nation could not afford the incarceration costs, in dollars let alone destroyed lives, if this standard of punishment/definition you are quoting were the norm. That is the max. How about we save the big guns for the truly scary violent offenders? Also, I highly doubt most males would be okay with a female being able to come back and sue them for touching her breast 12-14 years later. I seem to recall slapping a few hands (and one face) in my youth, maybe I should look them up and sue.
Sounds like you just want to emote about it but not look at it from a rational perspective.
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You seriously want to lock up every 14 year-old boy who touches a girl's breast over her clothes? SERIOUSLY?!? I taught middle school (which includes 14 year-old boys), it happens more than most parents want to admit. The normal way it was handled was that the boy got a 3-day suspension IF the girl reported it or a teacher saw it up until about 4-5 years ago. Now they might be expelled or placed in an alternative school for a semester, depending on the severity and the victim/victim's parents wishes. Quit kidding yourselves that anything worse would have happened to him. Frankly, he would have been better off had it hound through the judicial system as the records would have been sealed since he was a minor and it would have been considered a low-level offender with a high chance of rehabilitation.
The truth is we as a nation could not afford the incarceration costs, in dollars let alone destroyed lives, if this standard of punishment/definition you are quoting were the norm. That is the max. How about we save the big guns for the truly scary violent offenders? Also, I highly doubt most males would be okay with a female being able to come back and sue them for touching her breast 12-14 years later. I seem to recall slapping a few hands (and one face) in my youth, maybe I should look them up and sue.
Sounds like you just want to emote about it but not look at it from a rational perspective.
Maybe if we actually did something rather than minimize the experience for the victims by saying "Oh, it's just boys being boys!" then it wouldn't be so commonplace. 3 day suspension isn't really doing much of anything.
You seriously want to lock up every 14 year-old boy who touches a girl's breast over her clothes? SERIOUSLY?!? I taught middle school (which includes 14 year-old boys), it happens more than most parents want to admit. The normal way it was handled was that the boy got a 3-day suspension IF the girl reported it or a teacher saw it up until about 4-5 years ago. Now they might be expelled or placed in an alternative school for a semester, depending on the severity and the victim/victim's parents wishes. Quit kidding yourselves that anything worse would have happened to him. Frankly, he would have been better off had it hound through the judicial system as the records would have been sealed since he was a minor and it would have been considered a low-level offender with a high chance of rehabilitation.
The truth is we as a nation could not afford the incarceration costs, in dollars let alone destroyed lives, if this standard of punishment/definition you are quoting were the norm. That is the max. How about we save the big guns for the truly scary violent offenders? Also, I highly doubt most males would be okay with a female being able to come back and sue them for touching her breast 12-14 years later. I seem to recall slapping a few hands (and one face) in my youth, maybe I should look them up and sue.
Sounds like you just want to emote about it but not look at it from a rational perspective.
I'm not defending any of it. I do however think that someone shouldn't be able to sue 14 years after the fact. We know, from her own words in 2006, that she did not know it happened but had been told what happened shortly after it happened. I would have no issue with her suing had she done it in 2002 when it happened, in 2006 when she had police contact and was made aware there were protections out there for her, or when she became 18 or even 21 - but she didn't.
And, this is not the 5 year-old but the babysitter, who was his peer age wise.
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