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It happens, but many troops now require an adult from each family also register, which brings that to a quick halt. The Scouts as babysitter issue was a much bigger problem with Cubs than it's ever been for Boy Scouts in our community, and Cubs, for the most part, don't camp. We had a couple of family campouts each year, but then the parents and siblings were along anyway, and every boy slept in his family's tent.
Do you inquire about the sexuality of every person your children come in contact with? Do you ask it of all of their coaches/teachers/religious leaders/school administrators? Can you be 100% positive that those people when asked are telling the truth?
I don't personally care what your feelings are. You are allowed to dislike gay people if you choose. I feel it's rather close minded and bigoted, but whatever, different strokes for different folks. I just find it funny that you think that it actually matters what their sexual orientation is and/or that you have a right to even ask the question.
"I dont have the right to even ask the question".So i am just supposed to go along with everything the pro gay lobby says?.So much for free speech and freedom of choice.I am sometimes bigoted,racist,biased,homophobic.Show me someone who has never been any of these things and i will show you a liar.I am comfortable with that.Me being the aforementioned occasionally has caused no harm to any one apart from maybe hurt feelings. aaaaaa didums.That's the way i am wired which if i am correct is the mantra of the lbgt brigade.Why would you lie about being gay if your are so proud of being gay?."Walk it like you talk it".Thankfully i still have a choice but accept that in the future this will no longer be a parents call.We are on a slippery slope to an "anything/anyone goes society".
So i am just supposed to go along with everything the pro gay lobby says?
No. We're supposed to model honorable behaviors for our children, including acceptance that not everyone must live in accordance with the same beliefs as we do and yet they could still be good people, worthy of dignity and respect, just like everyone else.
We're on a path where bigotry is on the defensive. That's a vast improvement over when I was a boy.
"I dont have the right to even ask the question".So i am just supposed to go along with everything the pro gay lobby says?.So much for free speech and freedom of choice.I am sometimes bigoted,racist,biased,homophobic.Show me someone who has never been any of these things and i will show you a liar.I am comfortable with that.Me being the aforementioned occasionally has caused no harm to any one apart from maybe hurt feelings. aaaaaa didums.That's the way i am wired which if i am correct is the mantra of the lbgt brigade.Why would you lie about being gay if your are so proud of being gay?."Walk it like you talk it".Thankfully i still have a choice but accept that in the future this will no longer be a parents call.We are on a slippery slope to an "anything/anyone goes society".
You have the right to ask but you don't really have the "right" to ask...
You have still dodged the original question. Why does it matter if your child's scout leader or any other coach/teacher they may have is gay? You do know they can't "catch it" from them, right?
I have NO problem with gay scout leaders
I DO have a problem with pedophile scout leaders
the two are NOT the same...NOT NOT NOT
I don't care what rules are or aren't in place, if my young son is involved in organizations such as this, I AM INVOLVED too,,,I go on campouts, I go to meetings, I become a scout leader...that's what my dad did...no one in my troop than I am aware of was ever abused or whatever...
That's the thing. A scout master who engages in a sexual relationship with a boy under his authority is likely not a pedophile by the technical definition of the word, especially if the scout in question is a teen (and scouting goes up to age 18 I believe, though it could be higher), though they are breaking the law/trust regardless due to their position over the boy (even if the boy is past the age of consent). But we have seen where the law means nothing to far too many individuals who engage in sexual relationships with minors under their charge.
This is why I have no problem with a ban on gay boy scout leaders. Yes, the ban is overly-broad and would also encapsulate the great majority of gay scout leaders who would not be tempted (or seduced) to engage in sexual relationships with teenage boys under their command. But the ban does help to reduce the number of such cases. Note, for similar reasons, I have a problem with heterosexual male girl scout leaders and heterosexual female boy scout leaders. I am, however, against any ban on gay cub scout leaders; as being gay does not make one more likely to be a pedophile (that's where this discussion comes up), gays should have long been able to serve as cub scout leaders in my view.
"I dont have the right to even ask the question".So i am just supposed to go along with everything the pro gay lobby says?.So much for free speech and freedom of choice.I am sometimes bigoted,racist,biased,homophobic.Show me someone who has never been any of these things and i will show you a liar.I am comfortable with that.Me being the aforementioned occasionally has caused no harm to any one apart from maybe hurt feelings. aaaaaa didums.That's the way i am wired which if i am correct is the mantra of the lbgt brigade.Why would you lie about being gay if your are so proud of being gay?."Walk it like you talk it".Thankfully i still have a choice but accept that in the future this will no longer be a parents call.We are on a slippery slope to an "anything/anyone goes society".
Your last sentence is the goal.
The fly in the ointment is when that happens the very same people who demanded it will find they are on the receiving end, something they fought hard for but finding out the unintended consequences, will be loathe to admit that is what they had in mind.
You have the right to ask but you don't really have the "right" to ask...
You have still dodged the original question. Why does it matter if your child's scout leader or any other coach/teacher they may have is gay? You do know they can't "catch it" from them, right?
FYI...I'm a married (to a woman) father of three.
Thanks for the info on your lifestyle choice.Obviously this clears up where your coming from.We can go round in circles with this debate.You think i don't really have the "right" to ask.I think i do.Nobody's right nobody's wrong.Lets move on life's too short.
That's the thing. A scout master who engages in a sexual relationship with a boy under his authority is likely not a pedophile by the technical definition of the word, especially if the scout in question is a teen (and scouting goes up to age 18 I believe, though it could be higher), though they are breaking the law/trust regardless due to their position over the boy (even if the boy is past the age of consent). But we have seen where the law means nothing to far too many individuals who engage in sexual relationships with minors under their charge.
This is why I have no problem with a ban on gay boy scout leaders. Yes, the ban is overly-broad and would also encapsulate the great majority of gay scout leaders who would not be tempted (or seduced) to engage in sexual relationships with teenage boys under their command. But the ban does help to reduce the number of such cases. Note, for similar reasons, I have a problem with heterosexual male girl scout leaders and heterosexual female boy scout leaders. I am, however, against any ban on gay cub scout leaders; as being gay does not make one more likely to be a pedophile (that's where this discussion comes up), gays should have long been able to serve as cub scout leaders in my view.
This is rather twisted logic. By your train of thought here, a man could never coach a girls sport, a woman could never teach a boy, etc. all because they might have a desire to have sex with them? These situations exist all the time where a sexual encounter is possible between a person of authority and a person in their charge. Straight man coaching girls sports, woman teaching boys, gay man teaching boys, gay woman coaching girls, etc. Very, very few of them ever end up in a sexual encounter.
Those who are attracted are classified for that preference...
Pedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent children (10 and younger).
Hebephilia is attraction to pubescent/early adolescent children (11-14).
Ephebophilia is attraction to late adolescent teens (15-19).
I just find it odd that we would ban people from positions of authority over children or teens because we are afraid that they might have sex with them, despite that being a very rare occurrence.
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Originally Posted by Mack Knife
Your last sentence is the goal.
The fly in the ointment is when that happens the very same people who demanded it will find they are on the receiving end, something they fought hard for but finding out the unintended consequences, will be loathe to admit that is what they had in mind.
We've been on that slipper slope for millenia...look what happened when we stopped burning the witches...
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Originally Posted by silverhead
Thanks for the info on your lifestyle choice.Obviously this clears up where your coming from.We can go round in circles with this debate.You think i don't really have the "right" to ask.I think i do.Nobody's right nobody's wrong.Lets move on life's too short.
Well, you sort of implied that I was arguing as a gay man, which I am not, but I do have friends who are. I am also a parent, so I do actually have to make these decisions and deal with these situations.
This is rather twisted logic. By your train of thought here, a man could never coach a girls sport, a woman could never teach a boy, etc. all because they might have a desire to have sex with them? These situations exist all the time where a sexual encounter is possible between a person of authority and a person in their charge. Straight man coaching girls sports, woman teaching boys, gay man teaching boys, gay woman coaching girls, etc. Very, very few of them ever end up in a sexual encounter.
Ideally, yes. The bottom line is that removing potential temptations promises to cut down on abuses. I already acknowledged that such bans would be overly-broad as the great majority of people affected by the ban are just fine. But that point is of little comfort for those people (and their families) who are taken advantage of. Now, can you do this in every situation? No, it wouldn't be feasible. Still, its an ideal. May not be yours, but I'm not here to change your mind, only to state my opinion.
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