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Old 07-16-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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I remember reading about women who lived in dire poverty with a big family who were having a baby and prayed for the baby to be dead on delivery, thats how difficult some womens lives were... Nowhere to turn: These Irish women killed their babies to avoid lives of scandal and poverty
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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I'm sorry, but calling someone selfish is an insult no matter how you spin it.

BTW.....couldn't it be called selfish choosing to have a "mini me" instead of adopting a child in need?
Only a person a massive ego won't be able to admit when they do something selfish.

I'm selfish a lot. I even admitted that concentrating on having fun at Spring Break instead of joining a friend who used his time with Habit For Humanity was selfish. I'll even say that have my own child instead of adopting a foster child is selfish; however, it's less selfish than those without any kids not adopting because they want to concentrate on themselves.

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Aborting a fetus does not equal killing a person.

A fetus is not a person.

If you want to think of your fetus as a person that's just fine, but you do not have the right to try to force others to believe as you do.
At what specific point does a fetus become a person?

Would you say that a fetus at 39.5 weeks and still in the womb is a person?
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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As an adult male the only occasions I regret my past actions is when I have used someone for selfish reasons or hurt my family. Obviously the former are relatonships with women which did not entail destroying their lives. If I had done away with my own creation as a late teen or early 20s because I was poor,[which I was], then I certainly would regret it now that I am affluent.

But you know, I am not self-absorbed now as so many people are today. Perhaps the respondents have not reached the age where you reflect on your past actions. Certainly I never did until a few years ago.
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:59 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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To me, the word regret implies a wish that I had done things differently. The fetus I was carrying was anencephalic, and I terminated my pregnancy. It was the right thing for me to do, and I do not wish to have done anything differently. Never have I thought I should have done anything differently. What I do feel is a lingering sadness that a child my husband and I wanted very much was not to be. I'm truly stymied by why it's so difficult for some of you to understand the difference.
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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^^Understood and agree.
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:27 AM
 
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To me, the word regret implies a wish that I had done things differently. The fetus I was carrying was anencephalic, and I terminated my pregnancy. It was the right thing for me to do, and I do not wish to have done anything differently. Never have I thought I should have done anything differently. What I do feel is a lingering sadness that a child my husband and I wanted very much was not to be. I'm truly stymied by why it's so difficult for some of you to understand the difference.
IMHO, the majority of mainstream abortion outrage is in regards to elective late term abortions.

I know these are a very very small percentage of cases; however, when people are shouting "my body my right" it implies that they feel elective late term abortions should not only be legal but viewed as getting a haircut.

I don't want to ban all abortions or limit birth control. I want to strictly limit late term abortions. Right now, those are strictly limited, and that is how it should remain (with a few modifications, which we won't go into at the moment). No woman should have to carry a baby that will not survive through birth, and no woman should have to risk her life to complete a pregnancy. However, states should also have laws restricting abortions at a certain point.

If you feel that laws restricting elective late term abortions should remain in place, than you are not "pro-choice" because you are removing choices. The only way you can truly be "pro-choice" is by saying there should be no restrictions at all for abortions, including elective abortions of healthy babies at 39 weeks. That is barbaric, that is murder.

States should have common sense restrictions on elective abortions that begin at a certain point of the pregnancy that accommodate for special circumstances.

I also feel that we should try our hardest to make sure effective contraception is available to those who want it. I am all for having a system in place for high school students to be able to have access at school. I want poor people who lack transportation to have ways of accessing contraception.

Does this sound unreasonable?
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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Because they realize that they killed their own child because he or she was an inconvenience to them.
I have no regrets that I had some tissue scraped out of me. Why would I regret that?
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I dunno, I guess I just don't think it's my place to tell a woman what to do with her body. I don't like abortions, but I would never deny a woman's right to have one.
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:35 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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IMHO, the majority of mainstream abortion outrage is in regards to elective late term abortions.

I know these are a very very small percentage of cases; however, when people are shouting "my body my right" it implies that they feel elective late term abortions should not only be legal but viewed as getting a haircut.

I don't want to ban all abortions or limit birth control. I want to strictly limit late term abortions. Right now, those are strictly limited, and that is how it should remain (with a few modifications, which we won't go into at the moment). No woman should have to carry a baby that will not survive through birth, and no woman should have to risk her life to complete a pregnancy. However, states should also have laws restricting abortions at a certain point.

If you feel that laws restricting elective late term abortions should remain in place, than you are not "pro-choice" because you are removing choices. The only way you can truly be "pro-choice" is by saying there should be no restrictions at all for abortions, including elective abortions of healthy babies at 39 weeks. That is barbaric, that is murder.

States should have common sense restrictions on elective abortions that begin at a certain point of the pregnancy that accommodate for special circumstances.

I also feel that we should try our hardest to make sure effective contraception is available to those who want it. I am all for having a system in place for high school students to be able to have access at school. I want poor people who lack transportation to have ways of accessing contraception.

Does this sound unreasonable?
Pedro, I was simply expanding upon my previous statements about the issue of regret. I do not wish to engage in a debate about the merits and/or degrees of the pro-choice position. It's off-topic.
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Old 07-16-2015, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Sweet Home...CHICAGO
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What I don't understand is why anyone feels it's their business to judge a bunch of women they don't know over something so personal. These same people who judge women who have abortions would not help financially support these kids if the women decided to keep them. These same people would also judge the women for having kids out of wedlock or for having to get on welfare to support these non-aborted children.

And as far as the child-free-by-choice being selfish, how can you be selfish toward a child that doesn't exist? Some people have lifestyles where children don't fit in and they like it that way. There's nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is interested in child rearing, and those who aren't shouldn't do it because others think they should.
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